The Great Divide Between Red and Blue America
Why do McCain & Palin keep lying on the campaign trail, even after the media
has repeatedly called them out for running a negative, dishonest campaign?
Because McCain, just like Bush before him, knows that there is a certain component of his constituency that will accept any information put forth by his camp and subsequently parroted by right wing media outlets like Fox News, conservative talk radio, etc. To demonstrate this point, posted below is an email exchange between “Marissa Adams” a liberal in Massachusetts, and “Danny Duke” a conservative out of Kentucky.
The “Carol McCain” email that precedes the featured exchange is a bit lengthy, the content closely tracking an article that appeared in the Daily Mail Online. However, for all of you “blue state” folks out there who are wondering whether anyone out there is paying attention to all of the smears, lies and misinformation about Barack Obama being disseminated by McCain and his cronies, here’s proof that the right wing media networks are just as effective as ever. It is absolutely mindboggling how anyone could be this misinformed in the Internet Age, where accurate information about the candidates is a mere mouse click away, but TSP has nonetheless been informed by a reliable source that “Mr. Duke’s” views are all too common in the “red state” neck of the woods.
Equally troubling to the thoughtful reader is the profound difference of opinion between “Marissa” and “Danny” re: the information and issues that are relevant in evaluating the two presidential candidates, less than two months away from what will easily be the most important election of our generation to date. Rather than succumbing to the temptation to pass judgment on our red state brothers and sisters, for now it is enough to reflect on what appears to be a rather pronounced divide between red and blue state values, and to contemplate how we might find common ground so that someday we can move forward again as one nation.
FROM: “THIRD PARTY TAMMY”
SUBJECT: FW: CAROL McCAIN (FORMER MRS. JOHN McCAIN)
Not trying to down anyone's favorite pick for president, but someone sent this to me and I have to ask, is McCain really the kind of man we want as President? Are any of them? When is there going to be a real, good choice of a decent human being to run for the highest office in the country???
NO candidate today is worth a vote, but I guess that one of them will be a little less than worthless and deserving of a vote against everyone else. (and there are still 50 women competing for Miss America...)
Carol McCain
McCain likes to illustrate his moral fiber by referring to his five years as a 
prisoner-of-war in Vietnam . And to demonstrate his commitment to family values, the 71-year-old former US Navy pilot pays warm tribute to his beautiful blonde wife, Cindy, with whom he has four children. But there is another Mrs. McCain who casts a ghostly shadow over the Senator's presidential campaign. She is seldom seen and rarely written about, despite being mother to McCain's three eldest children.
She was the woman McCain dreamed of during his long incarceration and torture in Vietnam 's infamous 'Hanoi Hilton' prison and the woman who faithfully stayed at home looking after the children and waiting anxiously for news. But when McCain returned to America in 1973 to a fanfare of publicity and a handshake from Richard Nixon, he discovered his wife had been disfigured in a terrible car crash three years earlier. Her car had skidded on icy roads into a telegraph pole on Christmas Eve, 1969. Her pelvis and one arm were shattered by the impact and she suffered massive internal injuries.
When Carol was discharged from hospital after six months of life-saving surgery, the prognosis was bleak. In order to save her legs, surgeons had been forced to cut away huge sections of shattered bone, taking with it her tall, willowy figure. She was confined to a wheelchair and was forced to use a catheter. Today, she stands at just 5' 4" and still walks awkwardly, with a pronounced limp. Her body is held together by screws and metal plates and, at 70, her face is worn by wrinkles that speak of decades of silent suffering.
For nearly 30 years, Carol has maintained a dignified silence about the accident, McCain and their divorce. But last week at the bungalow where she now lives at Virginia Beach, a faded seaside resort 200 miles south of Washington, she told The Mail on Sunday how McCain divorced her in 1980 and married Cindy, 18 years his junior and the heir to an Arizona brewing fortune, just one month later.
My marriage ended because John McCain didn't want to be 40, he wanted to be 25. You know that happens...it just does.' In 1979 - while still married to Carol - he met Cindy at a cocktail party in Hawaii . Over the next six months he pursued her, flying around the country to see her. Then he began to push to end his marriage. Some of McCain's acquaintances are less forgiving, however. They portray the politician as a self-centered womanizer who effectively abandoned his crippled wife to 'play the field'. They accuse him of finally settling on Cindy, a former rodeo beauty queen, for financial reasons. Ted Sampley, who fought with US Special Forces in Vietnam and is now a leading campaigner for veterans' rights, said: 'I have been following John McCain's career for nearly 20 years. I know him personally. There is something wrong with this guy and let me tell you what it is: deceit. When he came home and saw that Carol was not the beauty he left behind, he started running around on her almost right away. Everybody around him knew it. Eventually he met Cindy and she was young and beautiful and very wealthy. At that point McCain just dumped Carol for something he thought was better."
McCain is the classic opportunist. He's always reaching for attention and glory,' he said. After he came home, Carol walked with a limp. So he threw her over for a poster girl with big money from Arizona . And the rest is history.'
Ross Perot, a billionaire Texas businessman, and a former presidential candidate, who paid her medical bills all those years ago, now believes that both Carol McCain and the American people have been taken in by a man who is unusually slick and cruel - even by the standards of modern politics.
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FROM: “DANNY DUKE”
SUBJECT: FW: CAROL McCAIN (FORMER MRS. JOHN McCAIN)
Hi Bitsy. I wasn't going to respond to this but with Mr. Obama's comments about "lipstick on a pig" I find myself having to take a position in this race. Now, I was NEVER EVER going to vote for Obama, and have never been a McCain supporter (McCain is way too liberal for my tastes). The thing I find very concerning about Mr. Obama even being in the Presidential race at this point is his affiliation with so many anti American individuals. For example, his friendship with someone who not only bombed the Pentagon, but to this day is unrepentant about this act, and actually is on record as saying that the 9-11 bombers did not kill enough Americans. Also, his 20 year relationship with a pastor who used his pulpit to spew his message of hate and racial radicalism, instead of love and tolerance as Jesus would have had him espouse. Another example, Mr. Obama's admiration of the man whom he has called a mentor, a man whose teachings prove his socialists tendencies. This last point, when taken in tandem with Mr. Obama's promise to raise taxes and increase the size of government, can only prove his own socialists tendencies. I think the choice for the President that could lead us in the most American, most positive way is VERY clear, especially in the light cast by the woman who would be the first female Vice President, the conservative Sarah Palin.
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FROM: “MARISSA ADAMS”
SUBJECT: FW: CAROL McCAIN (FORMER MRS. JOHN McCAIN)
OK. I am swamped at the moment but have to jump in as well with a few thoughts.
First, I am encouraged that this election has so many folks interested in politics and watching what is being represented on both sides (see, a positive statement). With that being said, I'd like to ask that everyone consider the source of what they hear on all the candidates. There is a lot being made up out there and you owe it to yourself to filter the truth from the fiction on both sides. A lot of what Danny points out about Obama is fiction (and please, those of you who still think he's Muslim get with the program: (1) the whole preacher issue shows he's a Christian; and (2) even if he was a Muslim which he's not they really aren't all evil and it would be pretty sad or someone to vote on a presidential candidate on a racist basis but hey, this is America and you can be racist if you'd like; I just won't like you).
So back to my point, examples of false accusations in this campaign: we'd heard on Bill Maher that Sarah Palin's daughter's baby daddy (I can't remember his name) had his own MySpace page on which he refers to himself as a redneck and a huge party guy and says all sorts of horrible things. If you don't like Sarah Palin (which I don't) you might say, "hey! I knew it." But if you actually look at the page - and as of a few nights ago there were 6 purportedly belonging to this same guy - it is clearly made up and made up very recently. Now MySpace can figure out how to police itself with folks making up fake accounts for someone who they are not but this proves my point. The page is fake and we have no idea whether or not the baby daddy is a good guy, a bad guy or otherwise. None of us really know these people. So how to vote?
I have met Barack Obama and have met and worked with a very good friend of his, Deval Patrick, the Governor of Massachusetts (before he was in politics we worked in the same law office in 1992; some exchanges we have had make me pretty certain he is a man of integrity). I know others who know Barack Obama and can speak to his character. If you don't actually have that kind of close connection to a candidate, please consider the sources and then make your best call and please vote.
Stand up for what you believe in on your issues. My biggest issue is how America has fallen in the world view and how more than ever we are thoroughly hated abroad because of the country's attitude as a whole about itself. History shows that with such a prideful view of yourself, your country is going downhill in the worldwide power struggle that has been going on since the dawn of time. My cousin was killed last week in Afghanistan. Granted, he was a British and not an American soldier but he had been an American soldier. How many of our family members have to die as America's image gets worse?? I don't care if John McCain (the subject of the original message below) divorced his wife and is evil, will be the next saint, has sex in the Oval office or what. So much of that is irrelevant to the job they can do and John McCain will not get my vote if he is so bold as to think America needs to fix a situation that’s been broken for over 1000 years for reasons most Americans and most policy makers do not understand or even care about (I majored in medieval history in college so please talk to me if you have any doubts about the history that has been ignored) and stay in Iraq and Afghanistan for another 100 years.
Since we are all really interested in this election, let's all take this seriously and be a part of trying to make the changes we all want. Thanks for listening to my rant.
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FROM: "DANNY DUKE"
SUBJECT: FW: CAROL McCAIN (FORMER MRS. JOHN McCAIN)
Marissa, the problem is the words actually came out of the pastors mouth, and were recorded by the church to broadcast in sermon form. Now, I believe that fact is going to be hard to deny. Also, it is typical as a deflection technique to bring up Mrs Palin's family to take the attention off the real issue, Obama's qualifications to be president. Remember, Obama hasn't talked about his qualifications, since the very qualifications he would talk about would only reinforce his associations with the very people he has been distancing himself from. As for the world view, I could care less, I don't see this as a chip on my shoulder. I see it as a burden that we as Americans have to bear, not because of some perceived social status in the world, but because of the men who signed that Document in 1776 to liberate this great nation from the monarchy that was England (see the rest of the world). It is a burden because of every American who, like your cousin, have given their lives so that we may live in the freest nation the world has ever seen. It is my Patriotic duty and the least I can do for the young man by the last name “Duke” who died when a bomb from a Japanese dive bomber struck the magazine on the USS Arizona on that fateful December morning. I see it as my duty so as to not desecrate their memory and sacrifice.
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FROM: "MARISSA ADAMS"
SUBJECT: FW: CAROL McCAIN (FORMER MRS. JOHN McCAIN)
Wow! So it's not ok to attack Sarah Palin's family (which I believe I was not doing but was supporting the fact that one story that is out there is actually NOT true) but it is ok to attack Obama's preacher? Sarah Palin's future son in law is not Sarah Palin. Barack Obama's preacher is not Barack Obama. Attack the candidate factually and with support and knowledge and I can respect you.
Here's an attack. As a mother with a very young son I have no respect for a woman who brings young children on stage at night during a political convention. That would not be good for a "normal" child, i.e. one who has no sensory issues as a child with Down syndrome has (my nephew who resides with me having Down syndrome and I personally having very close contact with what this involves) and it certainly is no better for a child with sensory issues. I don't actually care what comes out of her mouth after seeing that. In no way did that action benefit the child but it sure did let her paint a picture of a good family woman. Most rational folks with babies can see that this was a choice she made for herself, not for her child. Would you bring your young daughter on stage with you to such an event and disrespect her need for sleep and for not being in a crowd like that?
And pick up a history book my friend. The very attitude of ridding the world of evil because YOUR way is better than someone else's? Do you know how Rome fell and how the Crusades led to the Protestant Revolution? A small history lesson in a nutshell. The Roman Empire and the Catholic Church thought their way was the best. They wanted to be beacons of light to the rest of the world who was backwards and not like them. And they fell because it's one thing to be oppressed, it's another thing to be oppressed by a nation or entity that thinks it KNOWS they are better than you. This is actually how the American Revolution came about and please don't tell me you know more about that. I've been studying it for more than 20 years very intensely (ask “Tammy” how mental I am about John Adams, Thomas Jefferson, etc.). The Founding Fathers were not perfect and did not want to be put on a pedestal. They made some very gutsy sacrifices and it is those sacrifices that this country is built upon but that we in fact dishonor when we THINK we KNOW we are better than everyone else. People in China and Afghanistan and Iraq and every other country in the world are trying to get by just as you are and trying to conquer them because you know better? Just pick up a history book.
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FROM: “DANNY DUKE”
SUBJECT: FW: CAROL McCAIN (FORMER MRS. JOHN McCAIN)
Marissa, did you make Priscilla take her Bush sticker off her car?
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FROM: “MARISSA ADAMS”
SUBJECT: FW: CAROL McCAIN (FORMER MRS. JOHN McCAIN)
Absolutely. I drove her car almost exclusively after she moved in and she drove mine. I usually put a sticker on my car and this time I didn't. She no longer has a car but drives mine while I take the bus. So I didn't get a sticker this year and put it on my car because it would be like he driving a car with a McCain/Palin or Bush sticker. I respect her values, presumably she respects mine but either of us driving around with a sticker (which really is an advertisement of a belief) that doesn't espouse our values is not right. I won't make her follow my beliefs and ride around as if she does and this is why she removed the sticker. She had no problem with it because in our disagreements we discuss them like adults. Your question isn't exactly a response to my email but I'm happy to answer it.
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FROM: “DANNY DUKE”
SUBJECT: FW: CAROL McCAIN (FORMER MRS. JOHN McCAIN)
I only opened your response today and only read part of the first paragraph when I was struck by the account of how “Priscilla” had to take the Bush sticker off her car when she got to Boston. I must say I was not disappointed by your response, though. Yes, it was everything I thought it would be, and more. Your condescending attitude toward me, bragging about your knowledge of our founding fathers. Your telling me to pick up a history book. Your giving me a small history lesson on the crusades and the Catholic Church. Yes, you fit very nicely with Michelle and Barak. I bet you see me as one of those middle class people that clings to their guns and religion.
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FROM: “MARISSA ADAMS”
SUBJECT: FW: CAROL McCAIN (FORMER MRS. JOHN McCAIN)
I am sorry you still don't understand the ideas here. No one was forced to remove a bumper sticker, we agreed to remove them when we traded cars. I am also sorry that when faced with the point of view of an educated person you can only give a non-response. I won't apologize for it nor do I carry it like a chip on my shoulder, it is who I am and has helped me form my world view. I have no idea about your religion or gun ownership. When you have something of substance to say feel free to contact me and we can discuss our opposing views. But until then please keep your empty rhetoric to yourself.
NO candidate today is worth a vote, but I guess that one of them will be a little less than worthless and deserving of a vote against everyone else. (and there are still 50 women competing for Miss America...)
prisoner-of-war in Vietnam . And to demonstrate his commitment to family values, the 71-year-old former US Navy pilot pays warm tribute to his beautiful blonde wife, Cindy, with whom he has four children. But there is another Mrs. McCain who casts a ghostly shadow over the Senator's presidential campaign. She is seldom seen and rarely written about, despite being mother to McCain's three eldest children.In 1979 - while still married to Carol - he met Cindy at a cocktail party in Hawaii . Over the next six months he pursued her, flying around the country to see her. Then he began to push to end his marriage. Some of McCain's acquaintances are less forgiving, however. They portray the politician as a self-centered womanizer who effectively abandoned his crippled wife to 'play the field'. They accuse him of finally settling on Cindy, a former rodeo beauty queen, for financial reasons. Ted Sampley, who fought with US Special Forces in Vietnam and is now a leading campaigner for veterans' rights, said: 'I have been following John McCain's career for nearly 20 years. I know him personally. There is something wrong with this guy and let me tell you what it is: deceit. When he came home and saw that Carol was not the beauty he left behind, he started running around on her almost right away. Everybody around him knew it. Eventually he met Cindy and she was young and beautiful and very wealthy. At that point McCain just dumped Carol for something he thought was better."
McCain is the classic opportunist. He's always reaching for attention and glory,' he said. After he came home, Carol walked with a limp. So he threw her over for a poster girl with big money from Arizona . And the rest is history.'
Ross Perot, a billionaire Texas businessman, and a former presidential candidate, who paid her medical bills all those years ago, now believes that both Carol McCain and the American people have been taken in by a man who is unusually slick and cruel - even by the standards of modern politics.
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FROM: “DANNY DUKE”
SUBJECT: FW: CAROL McCAIN (FORMER MRS. JOHN McCAIN)
Hi Bitsy. I wasn't going to respond to this but with Mr. Obama's comments about "lipstick on a pig" I find myself having to take a position in this race. Now, I was NEVER EVER going to vote for Obama, and have never been a McCain supporter (McCain is way too liberal for my tastes). The thing I find very concerning about Mr. Obama even being in the Presidential race at this point is his affiliation with so many anti American individuals. For example, his friendship with someone who not only bombed the Pentagon, but to this day is unrepentant about this act, and actually is on record as saying that the 9-11 bombers did not kill enough Americans. Also, his 20 year relationship with a pastor who used his pulpit to spew his message of hate and racial radicalism, instead of love and tolerance as Jesus would have had him espouse. Another example, Mr. Obama's admiration of the man whom he has called a mentor, a man whose teachings prove his socialists tendencies. This last point, when taken in tandem with Mr. Obama's promise to raise taxes and increase the size of government, can only prove his own socialists tendencies. I think the choice for the President that could lead us in the most American, most positive way is VERY clear, especially in the light cast by the woman who would be the first female Vice President, the conservative Sarah Palin.
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FROM: “MARISSA ADAMS”
SUBJECT: FW: CAROL McCAIN (FORMER MRS. JOHN McCAIN)
OK. I am swamped at the moment but have to jump in as well with a few thoughts.
First, I am encouraged that this election has so many folks interested in politics and watching what is being represented on both sides (see, a positive statement). With that being said, I'd like to ask that everyone consider the source of what they hear on all the candidates. There is a lot being made up out there and you owe it to yourself to filter the truth from the fiction on both sides. A lot of what Danny points out about Obama is fiction (and please, those of you who still think he's Muslim get with the program: (1) the whole preacher issue shows he's a Christian; and (2) even if he was a Muslim which he's not they really aren't all evil and it would be pretty sad or someone to vote on a presidential candidate on a racist basis but hey, this is America and you can be racist if you'd like; I just won't like you).
So back to my point, examples of false accusations in this campaign: we'd heard on Bill Maher that Sarah Palin's daughter's baby daddy (I can't remember his name) had his own MySpace page on which he refers to himself as a redneck and a huge party guy and says all sorts of horrible things. If you don't like Sarah Palin (which I don't) you might say, "hey! I knew it." But if you actually look at the page - and as of a few nights ago there were 6 purportedly belonging to this same guy - it is clearly made up and made up very recently. Now MySpace can figure out how to police itself with folks making up fake accounts for someone who they are not but this proves my point. The page is fake and we have no idea whether or not the baby daddy is a good guy, a bad guy or otherwise. None of us really know these people. So how to vote?
I have met Barack Obama and have met and worked with a very good friend of his, Deval Patrick, the Governor of Massachusetts (before he was in politics we worked in the same law office in 1992; some exchanges we have had make me pretty certain he is a man of integrity). I know others who know Barack Obama and can speak to his character. If you don't actually have that kind of close connection to a candidate, please consider the sources and then make your best call and please vote.
Stand up for what you believe in on your issues. My biggest issue is how America has fallen in the world view and how more than ever we are thoroughly hated abroad because of the country's attitude as a whole about itself. History shows that with such a prideful view of yourself, your country is going downhill in the worldwide power struggle that has been going on since the dawn of time. My cousin was killed last week in Afghanistan. Granted, he was a British and not an American soldier but he had been an American soldier. How many of our family members have to die as America's image gets worse?? I don't care if John McCain (the subject of the original message below) divorced his wife and is evil, will be the next saint, has sex in the Oval office or what. So much of that is irrelevant to the job they can do and John McCain will not get my vote if he is so bold as to think America needs to fix a situation that’s been broken for over 1000 years for reasons most Americans and most policy makers do not understand or even care about (I majored in medieval history in college so please talk to me if you have any doubts about the history that has been ignored) and stay in Iraq and Afghanistan for another 100 years.
Since we are all really interested in this election, let's all take this seriously and be a part of trying to make the changes we all want. Thanks for listening to my rant.
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FROM: "DANNY DUKE"
SUBJECT: FW: CAROL McCAIN (FORMER MRS. JOHN McCAIN)
Marissa, the problem is the words actually came out of the pastors mouth, and were recorded by the church to broadcast in sermon form. Now, I believe that fact is going to be hard to deny. Also, it is typical as a deflection technique to bring up Mrs Palin's family to take the attention off the real issue, Obama's qualifications to be president. Remember, Obama hasn't talked about his qualifications, since the very qualifications he would talk about would only reinforce his associations with the very people he has been distancing himself from. As for the world view, I could care less, I don't see this as a chip on my shoulder. I see it as a burden that we as Americans have to bear, not because of some perceived social status in the world, but because of the men who signed that Document in 1776 to liberate this great nation from the monarchy that was England (see the rest of the world). It is a burden because of every American who, like your cousin, have given their lives so that we may live in the freest nation the world has ever seen. It is my Patriotic duty and the least I can do for the young man by the last name “Duke” who died when a bomb from a Japanese dive bomber struck the magazine on the USS Arizona on that fateful December morning. I see it as my duty so as to not desecrate their memory and sacrifice.
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FROM: "MARISSA ADAMS"
SUBJECT: FW: CAROL McCAIN (FORMER MRS. JOHN McCAIN)
Wow! So it's not ok to attack Sarah Palin's family (which I believe I was not doing but was supporting the fact that one story that is out there is actually NOT true) but it is ok to attack Obama's preacher? Sarah Palin's future son in law is not Sarah Palin. Barack Obama's preacher is not Barack Obama. Attack the candidate factually and with support and knowledge and I can respect you.
Here's an attack. As a mother with a very young son I have no respect for a woman who brings young children on stage at night during a political convention. That would not be good for a "normal" child, i.e. one who has no sensory issues as a child with Down syndrome has (my nephew who resides with me having Down syndrome and I personally having very close contact with what this involves) and it certainly is no better for a child with sensory issues. I don't actually care what comes out of her mouth after seeing that. In no way did that action benefit the child but it sure did let her paint a picture of a good family woman. Most rational folks with babies can see that this was a choice she made for herself, not for her child. Would you bring your young daughter on stage with you to such an event and disrespect her need for sleep and for not being in a crowd like that?
And pick up a history book my friend. The very attitude of ridding the world of evil because YOUR way is better than someone else's? Do you know how Rome fell and how the Crusades led to the Protestant Revolution? A small history lesson in a nutshell. The Roman Empire and the Catholic Church thought their way was the best. They wanted to be beacons of light to the rest of the world who was backwards and not like them. And they fell because it's one thing to be oppressed, it's another thing to be oppressed by a nation or entity that thinks it KNOWS they are better than you. This is actually how the American Revolution came about and please don't tell me you know more about that. I've been studying it for more than 20 years very intensely (ask “Tammy” how mental I am about John Adams, Thomas Jefferson, etc.). The Founding Fathers were not perfect and did not want to be put on a pedestal. They made some very gutsy sacrifices and it is those sacrifices that this country is built upon but that we in fact dishonor when we THINK we KNOW we are better than everyone else. People in China and Afghanistan and Iraq and every other country in the world are trying to get by just as you are and trying to conquer them because you know better? Just pick up a history book.
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FROM: “DANNY DUKE”
SUBJECT: FW: CAROL McCAIN (FORMER MRS. JOHN McCAIN)
Marissa, did you make Priscilla take her Bush sticker off her car?
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FROM: “MARISSA ADAMS”
SUBJECT: FW: CAROL McCAIN (FORMER MRS. JOHN McCAIN)
Absolutely. I drove her car almost exclusively after she moved in and she drove mine. I usually put a sticker on my car and this time I didn't. She no longer has a car but drives mine while I take the bus. So I didn't get a sticker this year and put it on my car because it would be like he driving a car with a McCain/Palin or Bush sticker. I respect her values, presumably she respects mine but either of us driving around with a sticker (which really is an advertisement of a belief) that doesn't espouse our values is not right. I won't make her follow my beliefs and ride around as if she does and this is why she removed the sticker. She had no problem with it because in our disagreements we discuss them like adults. Your question isn't exactly a response to my email but I'm happy to answer it.
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FROM: “DANNY DUKE”
SUBJECT: FW: CAROL McCAIN (FORMER MRS. JOHN McCAIN)
I only opened your response today and only read part of the first paragraph when I was struck by the account of how “Priscilla” had to take the Bush sticker off her car when she got to Boston. I must say I was not disappointed by your response, though. Yes, it was everything I thought it would be, and more. Your condescending attitude toward me, bragging about your knowledge of our founding fathers. Your telling me to pick up a history book. Your giving me a small history lesson on the crusades and the Catholic Church. Yes, you fit very nicely with Michelle and Barak. I bet you see me as one of those middle class people that clings to their guns and religion.
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FROM: “MARISSA ADAMS”
SUBJECT: FW: CAROL McCAIN (FORMER MRS. JOHN McCAIN)
I am sorry you still don't understand the ideas here. No one was forced to remove a bumper sticker, we agreed to remove them when we traded cars. I am also sorry that when faced with the point of view of an educated person you can only give a non-response. I won't apologize for it nor do I carry it like a chip on my shoulder, it is who I am and has helped me form my world view. I have no idea about your religion or gun ownership. When you have something of substance to say feel free to contact me and we can discuss our opposing views. But until then please keep your empty rhetoric to yourself.
When he came home and saw that Carol was not the beauty he left behind, he started running around on her almost right away. Everybody around him knew it. Eventually he met Cindy and she was young and beautiful and very wealthy. At that point McCain just dumped Carol for something he thought was better."
McCain is the classic opportunist. He's always reaching for attention and glory,' he said. After he came home, Carol walked with a limp. So he threw her over for a poster girl with big money from Arizona . And the rest is history.'
Ross Perot, a billionaire Texas businessman, and a former presidential candidate, who paid her medical bills all those years ago, now believes that both Carol McCain and the American people have been taken in by a man who is unusually slick and cruel - even by the standards of modern politics.
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FROM: “DANNY DUKE”
SUBJECT: FW: CAROL McCAIN (FORMER MRS. JOHN McCAIN)
Hi Bitsy. I wasn't going to respond to this but with Mr. Obama's comments about "lipstick on a pig" I find myself having to take a position in this race. Now, I was NEVER EVER going to vote for Obama, and have never been a McCain supporter (McCain is way too liberal for my tastes). The thing I find very concerning about Mr. Obama even being in the Presidential race at this point is his affiliation with so many anti American individuals. For example, his friendship with someone who not only bombed the Pentagon, but to this day is unrepentant about this act, and actually is on record as saying that the 9-11 bombers did not kill enough Americans. Also, his 20 year relationship with a pastor who used his pulpit to spew his message of hate and racial radicalism, instead of love and tolerance as Jesus would have had him espouse. Another example, Mr. Obama's admiration of the man whom he has called a mentor, a man whose teachings prove his socialists tendencies. This last point, when taken in tandem with Mr. Obama's promise to raise taxes and increase the size of government, can only prove his own socialists tendencies. I think the choice for the President that could lead us in the most American, most positive way is VERY clear, especially in the light cast by the woman who would be the first female Vice President, the conservative Sarah Palin.
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FROM: “MARISSA ADAMS”
SUBJECT: FW: CAROL McCAIN (FORMER MRS. JOHN McCAIN)
OK. I am swamped at the moment but have to jump in as well with a few thoughts.
First, I am encouraged that this election has so many folks interested in politics and watching what is being represented on both sides (see, a positive statement). With that being said, I'd like to ask that everyone consider the source of what they hear on all the candidates. There is a lot being made up out there and you owe it to yourself to filter the truth from the fiction on both sides. A lot of what Danny points out about Obama is fiction (and please, those of you who still think he's Muslim get with the program: (1) the whole preacher issue shows he's a Christian; and (2) even if he was a Muslim which he's not they really aren't all evil and it would be pretty sad or someone to vote on a presidential candidate on a racist basis but hey, this is America and you can be racist if you'd like; I just won't like you).
So back to my point, examples of false accusations in this campaign: we'd heard on Bill Maher that Sarah Palin's daughter's baby daddy (I can't remember his name) had his own MySpace page on which he refers to himself as a redneck and a huge party guy and says all sorts of horrible things. If you don't like Sarah Palin (which I don't) you might say, "hey! I knew it." But if you actually look at the page - and as of a few nights ago there were 6 purportedly belonging to this same guy - it is clearly made up and made up very recently. Now MySpace can figure out how to police itself with folks making up fake accounts for someone who they are not but this proves my point. The page is fake and we have no idea whether or not the baby daddy is a good guy, a bad guy or otherwise. None of us really know these people. So how to vote?
I have met Barack Obama and have met and worked with a very good friend of his, Deval Patrick, the Governor of Massachusetts (before he was in politics we worked in the same law office in 1992; some exchanges we have had make me pretty certain he is a man of integrity). I know others who know Barack Obama and can speak to his character. If you don't actually have that kind of close connection to a candidate, please consider the sources and then make your best call and please vote.
Stand up for what you believe in on your issues. My biggest issue is how America has fallen in the world view and how more than ever we are thoroughly hated abroad because of the country's attitude as a whole about itself. History shows that with such a prideful view of yourself, your country is going downhill in the worldwide power struggle that has been going on since the dawn of time. My cousin was killed last week in Afghanistan. Granted, he was a British and not an American soldier but he had been an American soldier. How many of our family members have to die as America's image gets worse?? I don't care if John McCain (the subject of the original message below) divorced his wife and is evil, will be the next saint, has sex in the Oval office or what. So much of that is irrelevant to the job they can do and John McCain will not get my vote if he is so bold as to think America needs to fix a situation that’s been broken for over 1000 years for reasons most Americans and most policy makers do not understand or even care about (I majored in medieval history in college so please talk to me if you have any doubts about the history that has been ignored) and stay in Iraq and Afghanistan for another 100 years.
Since we are all really interested in this election, let's all take this seriously and be a part of trying to make the changes we all want. Thanks for listening to my rant.
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FROM: "DANNY DUKE"
SUBJECT: FW: CAROL McCAIN (FORMER MRS. JOHN McCAIN)
Marissa, the problem is the words actually came out of the pastors mouth, and were recorded by the church to broadcast in sermon form. Now, I believe that fact is going to be hard to deny. Also, it is typical as a deflection technique to bring up Mrs Palin's family to take the attention off the real issue, Obama's qualifications to be president. Remember, Obama hasn't talked about his qualifications, since the very qualifications he would talk about would only reinforce his associations with the very people he has been distancing himself from. As for the world view, I could care less, I don't see this as a chip on my shoulder. I see it as a burden that we as Americans have to bear, not because of some perceived social status in the world, but because of the men who signed that Document in 1776 to liberate this great nation from the monarchy that was England (see the rest of the world). It is a burden because of every American who, like your cousin, have given their lives so that we may live in the freest nation the world has ever seen. It is my Patriotic duty and the least I can do for the young man by the last name “Duke” who died when a bomb from a Japanese dive bomber struck the magazine on the USS Arizona on that fateful December morning. I see it as my duty so as to not desecrate their memory and sacrifice.
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FROM: "MARISSA ADAMS"
SUBJECT: FW: CAROL McCAIN (FORMER MRS. JOHN McCAIN)
Wow! So it's not ok to attack Sarah Palin's family (which I believe I was not doing but was supporting the fact that one story that is out there is actually NOT true) but it is ok to attack Obama's preacher? Sarah Palin's future son in law is not Sarah Palin. Barack Obama's preacher is not Barack Obama. Attack the candidate factually and with support and knowledge and I can respect you.
Here's an attack. As a mother with a very young son I have no respect for a woman who brings young children on stage at night during a political convention. That would not be good for a "normal" child, i.e. one who has no sensory issues as a child with Down syndrome has (my nephew who resides with me having Down syndrome and I personally having very close contact with what this involves) and it certainly is no better for a child with sensory issues. I don't actually care what comes out of her mouth after seeing that. In no way did that action benefit the child but it sure did let her paint a picture of a good family woman. Most rational folks with babies can see that this was a choice she made for herself, not for her child. Would you bring your young daughter on stage with you to such an event and disrespect her need for sleep and for not being in a crowd like that?
And pick up a history book my friend. The very attitude of ridding the world of evil because YOUR way is better than someone else's? Do you know how Rome fell and how the Crusades led to the Protestant Revolution? A small history lesson in a nutshell. The Roman Empire and the Catholic Church thought their way was the best. They wanted to be beacons of light to the rest of the world who was backwards and not like them. And they fell because it's one thing to be oppressed, it's another thing to be oppressed by a nation or entity that thinks it KNOWS they are better than you. This is actually how the American Revolution came about and please don't tell me you know more about that. I've been studying it for more than 20 years very intensely (ask “Tammy” how mental I am about John Adams, Thomas Jefferson, etc.). The Founding Fathers were not perfect and did not want to be put on a pedestal. They made some very gutsy sacrifices and it is those sacrifices that this country is built upon but that we in fact dishonor when we THINK we KNOW we are better than everyone else. People in China and Afghanistan and Iraq and every other country in the world are trying to get by just as you are and trying to conquer them because you know better? Just pick up a history book.
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FROM: “DANNY DUKE”
SUBJECT: FW: CAROL McCAIN (FORMER MRS. JOHN McCAIN)
Marissa, did you make Priscilla take her Bush sticker off her car?
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FROM: “MARISSA ADAMS”
SUBJECT: FW: CAROL McCAIN (FORMER MRS. JOHN McCAIN)
Absolutely. I drove her car almost exclusively after she moved in and she drove mine. I usually put a sticker on my car and this time I didn't. She no longer has a car but drives mine while I take the bus. So I didn't get a sticker this year and put it on my car because it would be like he driving a car with a McCain/Palin or Bush sticker. I respect her values, presumably she respects mine but either of us driving around with a sticker (which really is an advertisement of a belief) that doesn't espouse our values is not right. I won't make her follow my beliefs and ride around as if she does and this is why she removed the sticker. She had no problem with it because in our disagreements we discuss them like adults. Your question isn't exactly a response to my email but I'm happy to answer it.
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FROM: “DANNY DUKE”
SUBJECT: FW: CAROL McCAIN (FORMER MRS. JOHN McCAIN)
I only opened your response today and only read part of the first paragraph when I was struck by the account of how “Priscilla” had to take the Bush sticker off her car when she got to Boston. I must say I was not disappointed by your response, though. Yes, it was everything I thought it would be, and more. Your condescending attitude toward me, bragging about your knowledge of our founding fathers. Your telling me to pick up a history book. Your giving me a small history lesson on the crusades and the Catholic Church. Yes, you fit very nicely with Michelle and Barak. I bet you see me as one of those middle class people that clings to their guns and religion.
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FROM: “MARISSA ADAMS”
SUBJECT: FW: CAROL McCAIN (FORMER MRS. JOHN McCAIN)
I am sorry you still don't understand the ideas here. No one was forced to remove a bumper sticker, we agreed to remove them when we traded cars. I am also sorry that when faced with the point of view of an educated person you can only give a non-response. I won't apologize for it nor do I carry it like a chip on my shoulder, it is who I am and has helped me form my world view. I have no idea about your religion or gun ownership. When you have something of substance to say feel free to contact me and we can discuss our opposing views. But until then please keep your empty rhetoric to yourself.
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SUBJECT: FW: CAROL McCAIN (FORMER MRS. JOHN McCAIN)
Hi Bitsy. I wasn't going to respond to this but with Mr. Obama's comments about "lipstick on a pig" I find myself having to take a position in this race. Now, I was NEVER EVER going to vote for Obama, and have never been a McCain supporter (McCain is way too liberal for my tastes). The thing I find very concerning about Mr. Obama even being in the Presidential race at this point is his affiliation with so many anti American individuals. For example, his friendship with someone who not only bombed the Pentagon, but to this day is unrepentant about this act, and actually is on record as saying that the 9-11 bombers did not kill enough Americans. Also, his 20 year relationship with a pastor who used his pulpit to spew his message of hate and racial radicalism, instead of love and tolerance as Jesus would have had him espouse. Another example, Mr. Obama's admiration of the man whom he has called a mentor, a man whose teachings prove his socialists tendencies. This last point, when taken in tandem with Mr. Obama's promise to raise taxes and increase the size of government, can only prove his own socialists tendencies. I think the choice for the President that could lead us in the most American, most positive way is VERY clear, especially in the light cast by the woman who would be the first female Vice President, the conservative Sarah Palin.
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FROM: “MARISSA ADAMS”
SUBJECT: FW: CAROL McCAIN (FORMER MRS. JOHN McCAIN)
OK. I am swamped at the moment but have to jump in as well with a few thoughts.
First, I am encouraged that this election has so many folks interested in politics and watching what is being represented on both sides (see, a positive statement). With that being said, I'd like to ask that everyone consider the source of what they hear on all the candidates. There is a lot being made up out there and you owe it to yourself to filter the truth from the fiction on both sides. A lot of what Danny points out about Obama is fiction (and please, those of you who still think he's Muslim get with the program: (1) the whole preacher issue shows he's a Christian; and (2) even if he was a Muslim which he's not they really aren't all evil and it would be pretty sad or someone to vote on a presidential candidate on a racist basis but hey, this is America and you can be racist if you'd like; I just won't like you).
So back to my point, examples of false accusations in this campaign: we'd heard on Bill Maher that Sarah Palin's daughter's baby daddy (I can't remember his name) had his own MySpace page on which he refers to himself as a redneck and a huge party guy and says all sorts of horrible things. If you don't like Sarah Palin (which I don't) you might say, "hey! I knew it." But if you actually look at the page - and as of a few nights ago there were 6 purportedly belonging to this same guy - it is clearly made up and made up very recently. Now MySpace can figure out how to police itself with folks making up fake accounts for someone who they are not but this proves my point. The page is fake and we have no idea whether or not the baby daddy is a good guy, a bad guy or otherwise. None of us really know these people. So how to vote?
I have met Barack Obama and have met and worked with a very good friend of his, Deval Patrick, the Governor of Massachusetts (before he was in politics we worked in the same law office in 1992; some exchanges we have had make me pretty certain he is a man of integrity). I know others who know Barack Obama and can speak to his character. If you don't actually have that kind of close connection to a candidate, please consider the sources and then make your best call and please vote.
Stand up for what you believe in on your issues. My biggest issue is how America has fallen in the world view and how more than ever we are thoroughly hated abroad because of the country's attitude as a whole about itself. History shows that with such a prideful view of yourself, your country is going downhill in the worldwide power struggle that has been going on since the dawn of time. My cousin was killed last week in Afghanistan. Granted, he was a British and not an American soldier but he had been an American soldier. How many of our family members have to die as America's image gets worse?? I don't care if John McCain (the subject of the original message below) divorced his wife and is evil, will be the next saint, has sex in the Oval office or what. So much of that is irrelevant to the job they can do and John McCain will not get my vote if he is so bold as to think America needs to fix a situation that’s been broken for over 1000 years for reasons most Americans and most policy makers do not understand or even care about (I majored in medieval history in college so please talk to me if you have any doubts about the history that has been ignored) and stay in Iraq and Afghanistan for another 100 years.
Since we are all really interested in this election, let's all take this seriously and be a part of trying to make the changes we all want. Thanks for listening to my rant.
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FROM: "DANNY DUKE"
SUBJECT: FW: CAROL McCAIN (FORMER MRS. JOHN McCAIN)
Marissa, the problem is the words actually came out of the pastors mouth, and were recorded by the church to broadcast in sermon form. Now, I believe that fact is going to be hard to deny. Also, it is typical as a deflection technique to bring up Mrs Palin's family to take the attention off the real issue, Obama's qualifications to be president. Remember, Obama hasn't talked about his qualifications, since the very qualifications he would talk about would only reinforce his associations with the very people he has been distancing himself from. As for the world view, I could care less, I don't see this as a chip on my shoulder. I see it as a burden that we as Americans have to bear, not because of some perceived social status in the world, but because of the men who signed that Document in 1776 to liberate this great nation from the monarchy that was England (see the rest of the world). It is a burden because of every American who, like your cousin, have given their lives so that we may live in the freest nation the world has ever seen. It is my Patriotic duty and the least I can do for the young man by the last name “Duke” who died when a bomb from a Japanese dive bomber struck the magazine on the USS Arizona on that fateful December morning. I see it as my duty so as to not desecrate their memory and sacrifice.
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FROM: "MARISSA ADAMS"
SUBJECT: FW: CAROL McCAIN (FORMER MRS. JOHN McCAIN)
Wow! So it's not ok to attack Sarah Palin's family (which I believe I was not doing but was supporting the fact that one story that is out there is actually NOT true) but it is ok to attack Obama's preacher? Sarah Palin's future son in law is not Sarah Palin. Barack Obama's preacher is not Barack Obama. Attack the candidate factually and with support and knowledge and I can respect you.
Here's an attack. As a mother with a very young son I have no respect for a woman who brings young children on stage at night during a political convention. That would not be good for a "normal" child, i.e. one who has no sensory issues as a child with Down syndrome has (my nephew who resides with me having Down syndrome and I personally having very close contact with what this involves) and it certainly is no better for a child with sensory issues. I don't actually care what comes out of her mouth after seeing that. In no way did that action benefit the child but it sure did let her paint a picture of a good family woman. Most rational folks with babies can see that this was a choice she made for herself, not for her child. Would you bring your young daughter on stage with you to such an event and disrespect her need for sleep and for not being in a crowd like that?
And pick up a history book my friend. The very attitude of ridding the world of evil because YOUR way is better than someone else's? Do you know how Rome fell and how the Crusades led to the Protestant Revolution? A small history lesson in a nutshell. The Roman Empire and the Catholic Church thought their way was the best. They wanted to be beacons of light to the rest of the world who was backwards and not like them. And they fell because it's one thing to be oppressed, it's another thing to be oppressed by a nation or entity that thinks it KNOWS they are better than you. This is actually how the American Revolution came about and please don't tell me you know more about that. I've been studying it for more than 20 years very intensely (ask “Tammy” how mental I am about John Adams, Thomas Jefferson, etc.). The Founding Fathers were not perfect and did not want to be put on a pedestal. They made some very gutsy sacrifices and it is those sacrifices that this country is built upon but that we in fact dishonor when we THINK we KNOW we are better than everyone else. People in China and Afghanistan and Iraq and every other country in the world are trying to get by just as you are and trying to conquer them because you know better? Just pick up a history book.
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FROM: “DANNY DUKE”
SUBJECT: FW: CAROL McCAIN (FORMER MRS. JOHN McCAIN)
Marissa, did you make Priscilla take her Bush sticker off her car?
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FROM: “MARISSA ADAMS”
SUBJECT: FW: CAROL McCAIN (FORMER MRS. JOHN McCAIN)
Absolutely. I drove her car almost exclusively after she moved in and she drove mine. I usually put a sticker on my car and this time I didn't. She no longer has a car but drives mine while I take the bus. So I didn't get a sticker this year and put it on my car because it would be like he driving a car with a McCain/Palin or Bush sticker. I respect her values, presumably she respects mine but either of us driving around with a sticker (which really is an advertisement of a belief) that doesn't espouse our values is not right. I won't make her follow my beliefs and ride around as if she does and this is why she removed the sticker. She had no problem with it because in our disagreements we discuss them like adults. Your question isn't exactly a response to my email but I'm happy to answer it.
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FROM: “DANNY DUKE”
SUBJECT: FW: CAROL McCAIN (FORMER MRS. JOHN McCAIN)
I only opened your response today and only read part of the first paragraph when I was struck by the account of how “Priscilla” had to take the Bush sticker off her car when she got to Boston. I must say I was not disappointed by your response, though. Yes, it was everything I thought it would be, and more. Your condescending attitude toward me, bragging about your knowledge of our founding fathers. Your telling me to pick up a history book. Your giving me a small history lesson on the crusades and the Catholic Church. Yes, you fit very nicely with Michelle and Barak. I bet you see me as one of those middle class people that clings to their guns and religion.
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FROM: “MARISSA ADAMS”
SUBJECT: FW: CAROL McCAIN (FORMER MRS. JOHN McCAIN)
I am sorry you still don't understand the ideas here. No one was forced to remove a bumper sticker, we agreed to remove them when we traded cars. I am also sorry that when faced with the point of view of an educated person you can only give a non-response. I won't apologize for it nor do I carry it like a chip on my shoulder, it is who I am and has helped me form my world view. I have no idea about your religion or gun ownership. When you have something of substance to say feel free to contact me and we can discuss our opposing views. But until then please keep your empty rhetoric to yourself.
SUBJECT: FW: CAROL McCAIN (FORMER MRS. JOHN McCAIN)
OK. I am swamped at the moment but have to jump in as well with a few thoughts.
First, I am encouraged that this election has so many folks interested in politics and watching what is being represented on both sides (see, a positive statement). With that being said, I'd like to ask that everyone consider the source of what they hear on all the candidates. There is a lot being made up out there and you owe it to yourself to filter the truth from the fiction on both sides. A lot of what Danny points out about Obama is fiction (and please, those of you who still think he's Muslim get with the program: (1) the whole preacher issue shows he's a Christian; and (2) even if he was a Muslim which he's not they really aren't all evil and it would be pretty sad or someone to vote on a presidential candidate on a racist basis but hey, this is America and you can be racist if you'd like; I just won't like you).
So back to my point, examples of false accusations in this campaign: we'd heard on Bill Maher that Sarah Palin's daughter's baby daddy (I can't remember his name) had his own MySpace page on which he refers to himself as a redneck and a huge party guy and says all sorts of horrible things. If you don't like Sarah Palin (which I don't) you might say, "hey! I knew it." But if you actually look at the page - and as of a few nights ago there were 6 purportedly belonging to this same guy - it is clearly made up and made up very recently. Now MySpace can figure out how to police itself with folks making up fake accounts for someone who they are not but this proves my point. The page is fake and we have no idea whether or not the baby daddy is a good guy, a bad guy or otherwise. None of us really know these people. So how to vote?
I have met Barack Obama and have met and worked with a very good friend of his, Deval Patrick, the Governor of Massachusetts (before he was in politics we worked in the same law office in 1992; some exchanges we have had make me pretty certain he is a man of integrity). I know others who know Barack Obama and can speak to his character. If you don't actually have that kind of close connection to a candidate, please consider the sources and then make your best call and please vote.
Stand up for what you believe in on your issues. My biggest issue is how America has fallen in the world view and how more than ever we are thoroughly hated abroad because of the country's attitude as a whole about itself. History shows that with such a prideful view of yourself, your country is going downhill in the worldwide power struggle that has been going on since the dawn of time. My cousin was killed last week in Afghanistan. Granted, he was a British and not an American soldier but he had been an American soldier. How many of our family members have to die as America's image gets worse?? I don't care if John McCain (the subject of the original message below) divorced his wife and is evil, will be the next saint, has sex in the Oval office or what. So much of that is irrelevant to the job they can do and John McCain will not get my vote if he is so bold as to think America needs to fix a situation that’s been broken for over 1000 years for reasons most Americans and most policy makers do not understand or even care about (I majored in medieval history in college so please talk to me if you have any doubts about the history that has been ignored) and stay in Iraq and Afghanistan for another 100 years.
Since we are all really interested in this election, let's all take this seriously and be a part of trying to make the changes we all want. Thanks for listening to my rant.
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FROM: "DANNY DUKE"
SUBJECT: FW: CAROL McCAIN (FORMER MRS. JOHN McCAIN)
Marissa, the problem is the words actually came out of the pastors mouth, and were recorded by the church to broadcast in sermon form. Now, I believe that fact is going to be hard to deny. Also, it is typical as a deflection technique to bring up Mrs Palin's family to take the attention off the real issue, Obama's qualifications to be president. Remember, Obama hasn't talked about his qualifications, since the very qualifications he would talk about would only reinforce his associations with the very people he has been distancing himself from. As for the world view, I could care less, I don't see this as a chip on my shoulder. I see it as a burden that we as Americans have to bear, not because of some perceived social status in the world, but because of the men who signed that Document in 1776 to liberate this great nation from the monarchy that was England (see the rest of the world). It is a burden because of every American who, like your cousin, have given their lives so that we may live in the freest nation the world has ever seen. It is my Patriotic duty and the least I can do for the young man by the last name “Duke” who died when a bomb from a Japanese dive bomber struck the magazine on the USS Arizona on that fateful December morning. I see it as my duty so as to not desecrate their memory and sacrifice.
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FROM: "MARISSA ADAMS"
SUBJECT: FW: CAROL McCAIN (FORMER MRS. JOHN McCAIN)
Wow! So it's not ok to attack Sarah Palin's family (which I believe I was not doing but was supporting the fact that one story that is out there is actually NOT true) but it is ok to attack Obama's preacher? Sarah Palin's future son in law is not Sarah Palin. Barack Obama's preacher is not Barack Obama. Attack the candidate factually and with support and knowledge and I can respect you.
Here's an attack. As a mother with a very young son I have no respect for a woman who brings young children on stage at night during a political convention. That would not be good for a "normal" child, i.e. one who has no sensory issues as a child with Down syndrome has (my nephew who resides with me having Down syndrome and I personally having very close contact with what this involves) and it certainly is no better for a child with sensory issues. I don't actually care what comes out of her mouth after seeing that. In no way did that action benefit the child but it sure did let her paint a picture of a good family woman. Most rational folks with babies can see that this was a choice she made for herself, not for her child. Would you bring your young daughter on stage with you to such an event and disrespect her need for sleep and for not being in a crowd like that?
And pick up a history book my friend. The very attitude of ridding the world of evil because YOUR way is better than someone else's? Do you know how Rome fell and how the Crusades led to the Protestant Revolution? A small history lesson in a nutshell. The Roman Empire and the Catholic Church thought their way was the best. They wanted to be beacons of light to the rest of the world who was backwards and not like them. And they fell because it's one thing to be oppressed, it's another thing to be oppressed by a nation or entity that thinks it KNOWS they are better than you. This is actually how the American Revolution came about and please don't tell me you know more about that. I've been studying it for more than 20 years very intensely (ask “Tammy” how mental I am about John Adams, Thomas Jefferson, etc.). The Founding Fathers were not perfect and did not want to be put on a pedestal. They made some very gutsy sacrifices and it is those sacrifices that this country is built upon but that we in fact dishonor when we THINK we KNOW we are better than everyone else. People in China and Afghanistan and Iraq and every other country in the world are trying to get by just as you are and trying to conquer them because you know better? Just pick up a history book.
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FROM: “DANNY DUKE”
SUBJECT: FW: CAROL McCAIN (FORMER MRS. JOHN McCAIN)
Marissa, did you make Priscilla take her Bush sticker off her car?
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FROM: “MARISSA ADAMS”
SUBJECT: FW: CAROL McCAIN (FORMER MRS. JOHN McCAIN)
Absolutely. I drove her car almost exclusively after she moved in and she drove mine. I usually put a sticker on my car and this time I didn't. She no longer has a car but drives mine while I take the bus. So I didn't get a sticker this year and put it on my car because it would be like he driving a car with a McCain/Palin or Bush sticker. I respect her values, presumably she respects mine but either of us driving around with a sticker (which really is an advertisement of a belief) that doesn't espouse our values is not right. I won't make her follow my beliefs and ride around as if she does and this is why she removed the sticker. She had no problem with it because in our disagreements we discuss them like adults. Your question isn't exactly a response to my email but I'm happy to answer it.
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FROM: “DANNY DUKE”
SUBJECT: FW: CAROL McCAIN (FORMER MRS. JOHN McCAIN)
I only opened your response today and only read part of the first paragraph when I was struck by the account of how “Priscilla” had to take the Bush sticker off her car when she got to Boston. I must say I was not disappointed by your response, though. Yes, it was everything I thought it would be, and more. Your condescending attitude toward me, bragging about your knowledge of our founding fathers. Your telling me to pick up a history book. Your giving me a small history lesson on the crusades and the Catholic Church. Yes, you fit very nicely with Michelle and Barak. I bet you see me as one of those middle class people that clings to their guns and religion.
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FROM: “MARISSA ADAMS”
SUBJECT: FW: CAROL McCAIN (FORMER MRS. JOHN McCAIN)
I am sorry you still don't understand the ideas here. No one was forced to remove a bumper sticker, we agreed to remove them when we traded cars. I am also sorry that when faced with the point of view of an educated person you can only give a non-response. I won't apologize for it nor do I carry it like a chip on my shoulder, it is who I am and has helped me form my world view. I have no idea about your religion or gun ownership. When you have something of substance to say feel free to contact me and we can discuss our opposing views. But until then please keep your empty rhetoric to yourself.
SUBJECT: FW: CAROL McCAIN (FORMER MRS. JOHN McCAIN)
Marissa, the problem is the words actually came out of the pastors mouth, and were recorded by the church to broadcast in sermon form. Now, I believe that fact is going to be hard to deny. Also, it is typical as a deflection technique to bring up Mrs Palin's family to take the attention off the real issue, Obama's qualifications to be president. Remember, Obama hasn't talked about his qualifications, since the very qualifications he would talk about would only reinforce his associations with the very people he has been distancing himself from. As for the world view, I could care less, I don't see this as a chip on my shoulder. I see it as a burden that we as Americans have to bear, not because of some perceived social status in the world, but because of the men who signed that Document in 1776 to liberate this great nation from the monarchy that was England (see the rest of the world). It is a burden because of every American who, like your cousin, have given their lives so that we may live in the freest nation the world has ever seen. It is my Patriotic duty and the least I can do for the young man by the last name “Duke” who died when a bomb from a Japanese dive bomber struck the magazine on the USS Arizona on that fateful December morning. I see it as my duty so as to not desecrate their memory and sacrifice.
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FROM: "MARISSA ADAMS"
SUBJECT: FW: CAROL McCAIN (FORMER MRS. JOHN McCAIN)
Wow! So it's not ok to attack Sarah Palin's family (which I believe I was not doing but was supporting the fact that one story that is out there is actually NOT true) but it is ok to attack Obama's preacher? Sarah Palin's future son in law is not Sarah Palin. Barack Obama's preacher is not Barack Obama. Attack the candidate factually and with support and knowledge and I can respect you.
Here's an attack. As a mother with a very young son I have no respect for a woman who brings young children on stage at night during a political convention. That would not be good for a "normal" child, i.e. one who has no sensory issues as a child with Down syndrome has (my nephew who resides with me having Down syndrome and I personally having very close contact with what this involves) and it certainly is no better for a child with sensory issues. I don't actually care what comes out of her mouth after seeing that. In no way did that action benefit the child but it sure did let her paint a picture of a good family woman. Most rational folks with babies can see that this was a choice she made for herself, not for her child. Would you bring your young daughter on stage with you to such an event and disrespect her need for sleep and for not being in a crowd like that?
And pick up a history book my friend. The very attitude of ridding the world of evil because YOUR way is better than someone else's? Do you know how Rome fell and how the Crusades led to the Protestant Revolution? A small history lesson in a nutshell. The Roman Empire and the Catholic Church thought their way was the best. They wanted to be beacons of light to the rest of the world who was backwards and not like them. And they fell because it's one thing to be oppressed, it's another thing to be oppressed by a nation or entity that thinks it KNOWS they are better than you. This is actually how the American Revolution came about and please don't tell me you know more about that. I've been studying it for more than 20 years very intensely (ask “Tammy” how mental I am about John Adams, Thomas Jefferson, etc.). The Founding Fathers were not perfect and did not want to be put on a pedestal. They made some very gutsy sacrifices and it is those sacrifices that this country is built upon but that we in fact dishonor when we THINK we KNOW we are better than everyone else. People in China and Afghanistan and Iraq and every other country in the world are trying to get by just as you are and trying to conquer them because you know better? Just pick up a history book.
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FROM: “DANNY DUKE”
SUBJECT: FW: CAROL McCAIN (FORMER MRS. JOHN McCAIN)
Marissa, did you make Priscilla take her Bush sticker off her car?
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FROM: “MARISSA ADAMS”
SUBJECT: FW: CAROL McCAIN (FORMER MRS. JOHN McCAIN)
Absolutely. I drove her car almost exclusively after she moved in and she drove mine. I usually put a sticker on my car and this time I didn't. She no longer has a car but drives mine while I take the bus. So I didn't get a sticker this year and put it on my car because it would be like he driving a car with a McCain/Palin or Bush sticker. I respect her values, presumably she respects mine but either of us driving around with a sticker (which really is an advertisement of a belief) that doesn't espouse our values is not right. I won't make her follow my beliefs and ride around as if she does and this is why she removed the sticker. She had no problem with it because in our disagreements we discuss them like adults. Your question isn't exactly a response to my email but I'm happy to answer it.
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FROM: “DANNY DUKE”
SUBJECT: FW: CAROL McCAIN (FORMER MRS. JOHN McCAIN)
I only opened your response today and only read part of the first paragraph when I was struck by the account of how “Priscilla” had to take the Bush sticker off her car when she got to Boston. I must say I was not disappointed by your response, though. Yes, it was everything I thought it would be, and more. Your condescending attitude toward me, bragging about your knowledge of our founding fathers. Your telling me to pick up a history book. Your giving me a small history lesson on the crusades and the Catholic Church. Yes, you fit very nicely with Michelle and Barak. I bet you see me as one of those middle class people that clings to their guns and religion.
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FROM: “MARISSA ADAMS”
SUBJECT: FW: CAROL McCAIN (FORMER MRS. JOHN McCAIN)
I am sorry you still don't understand the ideas here. No one was forced to remove a bumper sticker, we agreed to remove them when we traded cars. I am also sorry that when faced with the point of view of an educated person you can only give a non-response. I won't apologize for it nor do I carry it like a chip on my shoulder, it is who I am and has helped me form my world view. I have no idea about your religion or gun ownership. When you have something of substance to say feel free to contact me and we can discuss our opposing views. But until then please keep your empty rhetoric to yourself.
SUBJECT: FW: CAROL McCAIN (FORMER MRS. JOHN McCAIN)
Wow! So it's not ok to attack Sarah Palin's family (which I believe I was not doing but was supporting the fact that one story that is out there is actually NOT true) but it is ok to attack Obama's preacher? Sarah Palin's future son in law is not Sarah Palin. Barack Obama's preacher is not Barack Obama. Attack the candidate factually and with support and knowledge and I can respect you.
Here's an attack. As a mother with a very young son I have no respect for a woman who brings young children on stage at night during a political convention. That would not be good for a "normal" child, i.e. one who has no sensory issues as a child with Down syndrome has (my nephew who resides with me having Down syndrome and I personally having very close contact with what this involves) and it certainly is no better for a child with sensory issues. I don't actually care what comes out of her mouth after seeing that. In no way did that action benefit the child but it sure did let her paint a picture of a good family woman. Most rational folks with babies can see that this was a choice she made for herself, not for her child. Would you bring your young daughter on stage with you to such an event and disrespect her need for sleep and for not being in a crowd like that?
And pick up a history book my friend. The very attitude of ridding the world of evil because YOUR way is better than someone else's? Do you know how Rome fell and how the Crusades led to the Protestant Revolution? A small history lesson in a nutshell. The Roman Empire and the Catholic Church thought their way was the best. They wanted to be beacons of light to the rest of the world who was backwards and not like them. And they fell because it's one thing to be oppressed, it's another thing to be oppressed by a nation or entity that thinks it KNOWS they are better than you. This is actually how the American Revolution came about and please don't tell me you know more about that. I've been studying it for more than 20 years very intensely (ask “Tammy” how mental I am about John Adams, Thomas Jefferson, etc.). The Founding Fathers were not perfect and did not want to be put on a pedestal. They made some very gutsy sacrifices and it is those sacrifices that this country is built upon but that we in fact dishonor when we THINK we KNOW we are better than everyone else. People in China and Afghanistan and Iraq and every other country in the world are trying to get by just as you are and trying to conquer them because you know better? Just pick up a history book.
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FROM: “DANNY DUKE”
SUBJECT: FW: CAROL McCAIN (FORMER MRS. JOHN McCAIN)
Marissa, did you make Priscilla take her Bush sticker off her car?
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FROM: “MARISSA ADAMS”
SUBJECT: FW: CAROL McCAIN (FORMER MRS. JOHN McCAIN)
Absolutely. I drove her car almost exclusively after she moved in and she drove mine. I usually put a sticker on my car and this time I didn't. She no longer has a car but drives mine while I take the bus. So I didn't get a sticker this year and put it on my car because it would be like he driving a car with a McCain/Palin or Bush sticker. I respect her values, presumably she respects mine but either of us driving around with a sticker (which really is an advertisement of a belief) that doesn't espouse our values is not right. I won't make her follow my beliefs and ride around as if she does and this is why she removed the sticker. She had no problem with it because in our disagreements we discuss them like adults. Your question isn't exactly a response to my email but I'm happy to answer it.
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FROM: “DANNY DUKE”
SUBJECT: FW: CAROL McCAIN (FORMER MRS. JOHN McCAIN)
I only opened your response today and only read part of the first paragraph when I was struck by the account of how “Priscilla” had to take the Bush sticker off her car when she got to Boston. I must say I was not disappointed by your response, though. Yes, it was everything I thought it would be, and more. Your condescending attitude toward me, bragging about your knowledge of our founding fathers. Your telling me to pick up a history book. Your giving me a small history lesson on the crusades and the Catholic Church. Yes, you fit very nicely with Michelle and Barak. I bet you see me as one of those middle class people that clings to their guns and religion.
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FROM: “MARISSA ADAMS”
SUBJECT: FW: CAROL McCAIN (FORMER MRS. JOHN McCAIN)
I am sorry you still don't understand the ideas here. No one was forced to remove a bumper sticker, we agreed to remove them when we traded cars. I am also sorry that when faced with the point of view of an educated person you can only give a non-response. I won't apologize for it nor do I carry it like a chip on my shoulder, it is who I am and has helped me form my world view. I have no idea about your religion or gun ownership. When you have something of substance to say feel free to contact me and we can discuss our opposing views. But until then please keep your empty rhetoric to yourself.
SUBJECT: FW: CAROL McCAIN (FORMER MRS. JOHN McCAIN)
Marissa, did you make Priscilla take her Bush sticker off her car?
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FROM: “MARISSA ADAMS”
SUBJECT: FW: CAROL McCAIN (FORMER MRS. JOHN McCAIN)
Absolutely. I drove her car almost exclusively after she moved in and she drove mine. I usually put a sticker on my car and this time I didn't. She no longer has a car but drives mine while I take the bus. So I didn't get a sticker this year and put it on my car because it would be like he driving a car with a McCain/Palin or Bush sticker. I respect her values, presumably she respects mine but either of us driving around with a sticker (which really is an advertisement of a belief) that doesn't espouse our values is not right. I won't make her follow my beliefs and ride around as if she does and this is why she removed the sticker. She had no problem with it because in our disagreements we discuss them like adults. Your question isn't exactly a response to my email but I'm happy to answer it.
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FROM: “DANNY DUKE”
SUBJECT: FW: CAROL McCAIN (FORMER MRS. JOHN McCAIN)
I only opened your response today and only read part of the first paragraph when I was struck by the account of how “Priscilla” had to take the Bush sticker off her car when she got to Boston. I must say I was not disappointed by your response, though. Yes, it was everything I thought it would be, and more. Your condescending attitude toward me, bragging about your knowledge of our founding fathers. Your telling me to pick up a history book. Your giving me a small history lesson on the crusades and the Catholic Church. Yes, you fit very nicely with Michelle and Barak. I bet you see me as one of those middle class people that clings to their guns and religion.
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FROM: “MARISSA ADAMS”
SUBJECT: FW: CAROL McCAIN (FORMER MRS. JOHN McCAIN)
I am sorry you still don't understand the ideas here. No one was forced to remove a bumper sticker, we agreed to remove them when we traded cars. I am also sorry that when faced with the point of view of an educated person you can only give a non-response. I won't apologize for it nor do I carry it like a chip on my shoulder, it is who I am and has helped me form my world view. I have no idea about your religion or gun ownership. When you have something of substance to say feel free to contact me and we can discuss our opposing views. But until then please keep your empty rhetoric to yourself.
SUBJECT: FW: CAROL McCAIN (FORMER MRS. JOHN McCAIN)
Absolutely. I drove her car almost exclusively after she moved in and she drove mine. I usually put a sticker on my car and this time I didn't. She no longer has a car but drives mine while I take the bus. So I didn't get a sticker this year and put it on my car because it would be like he driving a car with a McCain/Palin or Bush sticker. I respect her values, presumably she respects mine but either of us driving around with a sticker (which really is an advertisement of a belief) that doesn't espouse our values is not right. I won't make her follow my beliefs and ride around as if she does and this is why she removed the sticker. She had no problem with it because in our disagreements we discuss them like adults. Your question isn't exactly a response to my email but I'm happy to answer it.
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FROM: “DANNY DUKE”
SUBJECT: FW: CAROL McCAIN (FORMER MRS. JOHN McCAIN)
I only opened your response today and only read part of the first paragraph when I was struck by the account of how “Priscilla” had to take the Bush sticker off her car when she got to Boston. I must say I was not disappointed by your response, though. Yes, it was everything I thought it would be, and more. Your condescending attitude toward me, bragging about your knowledge of our founding fathers. Your telling me to pick up a history book. Your giving me a small history lesson on the crusades and the Catholic Church. Yes, you fit very nicely with Michelle and Barak. I bet you see me as one of those middle class people that clings to their guns and religion.
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FROM: “MARISSA ADAMS”
SUBJECT: FW: CAROL McCAIN (FORMER MRS. JOHN McCAIN)
I am sorry you still don't understand the ideas here. No one was forced to remove a bumper sticker, we agreed to remove them when we traded cars. I am also sorry that when faced with the point of view of an educated person you can only give a non-response. I won't apologize for it nor do I carry it like a chip on my shoulder, it is who I am and has helped me form my world view. I have no idea about your religion or gun ownership. When you have something of substance to say feel free to contact me and we can discuss our opposing views. But until then please keep your empty rhetoric to yourself.
SUBJECT: FW: CAROL McCAIN (FORMER MRS. JOHN McCAIN)
I only opened your response today and only read part of the first paragraph when I was struck by the account of how “Priscilla” had to take the Bush sticker off her car when she got to Boston. I must say I was not disappointed by your response, though. Yes, it was everything I thought it would be, and more. Your condescending attitude toward me, bragging about your knowledge of our founding fathers. Your telling me to pick up a history book. Your giving me a small history lesson on the crusades and the Catholic Church. Yes, you fit very nicely with Michelle and Barak. I bet you see me as one of those middle class people that clings to their guns and religion.
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FROM: “MARISSA ADAMS”
SUBJECT: FW: CAROL McCAIN (FORMER MRS. JOHN McCAIN)
I am sorry you still don't understand the ideas here. No one was forced to remove a bumper sticker, we agreed to remove them when we traded cars. I am also sorry that when faced with the point of view of an educated person you can only give a non-response. I won't apologize for it nor do I carry it like a chip on my shoulder, it is who I am and has helped me form my world view. I have no idea about your religion or gun ownership. When you have something of substance to say feel free to contact me and we can discuss our opposing views. But until then please keep your empty rhetoric to yourself.
FROM: “MARISSA ADAMS”
SUBJECT: FW: CAROL McCAIN (FORMER MRS. JOHN McCAIN)
I am sorry you still don't understand the ideas here. No one was forced to remove a bumper sticker, we agreed to remove them when we traded cars. I am also sorry that when faced with the point of view of an educated person you can only give a non-response. I won't apologize for it nor do I carry it like a chip on my shoulder, it is who I am and has helped me form my world view. I have no idea about your religion or gun ownership. When you have something of substance to say feel free to contact me and we can discuss our opposing views. But until then please keep your empty rhetoric to yourself.
I am sorry you still don't understand the ideas here. No one was forced to remove a bumper sticker, we agreed to remove them when we traded cars. I am also sorry that when faced with the point of view of an educated person you can only give a non-response. I won't apologize for it nor do I carry it like a chip on my shoulder, it is who I am and has helped me form my world view. I have no idea about your religion or gun ownership. When you have something of substance to say feel free to contact me and we can discuss our opposing views. But until then please keep your empty rhetoric to yourself. |
Comments
Wow, that was incredibly difficult to read. It is a shame that our society has started to shun intelligence and critical thinking. I guess, we get what we deserve then. Anyone who spouts any of the right wing (false) talking points loses my respect immediately. If you do your research and still agree with McCain's ideas, fine, I don't agree, but I'll at least be able to look you in the eye and not see a moron.
Posted by: chris | September 23, 2008 08:06 AM