Live-Blogging the Second Presidential Debate - Part II!!
OUR LIVE COVERAGE OF THE 2ND PRESIDENTIAL DEBATE CONTINUES BELOW:
Special guest Denn H joins us in the studio:
So far, this isn't helping either one of them.
When you wrestle with a pig (forget the lipstick),
both of you will get dirty, and only the pig will enjoy it.
Best way to fix social security is to have the senators and
representatives are on it. Not on their own special pensions.
Obama must be getting tired of correcting McCain.
McCain is really reaching out to touch tonight.
McCain is staying on the attack. It is good that he does. I think he
will get picked off base sooner, rather than later.
Chris J: a pooplet, is the valuable and hard to find chunk of goodness in a blizzard of useless vernacular.
TD: Chris, thanks for that particularly useful bit of information. Denn, I think that McCain's already been picked off base a couple of times, and will be in more trouble after the debate when the candidates' respective records are examined, per his suggestion.
Paddy B: [Obama said that] children are relatively cheap to insure???????? WHAAAAATTTTT!!!!! I have two kids and I don't find that to be the case re: co-pays, hearing tests, shots, etc. Then what happens when they get hurt? I know a child who had simple knee surgery that cost about $30,000 bucks...and wasn't entirely covered by insurance. That last statement is just plain NOT TRUE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
TD: Not a particularly judicious statement by Obama on that point. I'm paying through the nose for family healthcare myself, and aren't kids the ones that are sick all the time?
CJ: Wow, healthcare coverage is a privilege..McCain's disdain for the lower class is now coming out for all to see.
TD: Actually he said it was a "responsibility." Just a little "pooplet" of knowledge for ya there . . .
Special guest Bryna Bear joins us in the studio:
The health "errors" as they call 'em?
you mean like one that allowed prescription pills to find their way
into your wife's purse? ahh. right.
If health care is a "responsibility", whose responsibility is it?
McCain't neglected to mention that detail, making it easier for any possible
health care improvements to not happen. Unless accountability is assigned, it is unlikely that any substantial improvement will actually occur.
TD: Wow, that bear's got claws! "McCain't - I like it!!! Nice counter to "No-Bama!"
Chris J :I'm glad Obama is addressing the comments about him not "understanding". You cannot let Old Man River call you out without responding, no way, no how. A man who wears a girdle cannot be left to say what he wants (Alisa is convinced that he wears a girdle, by the way).
TD: Agreed, that was an excellent moment that I'm sure Obama planned to address, whether it came up or not.
Leslie S: There can be no "victory" in IRAQ!!!
TD: That's right - even Petraeus won't talk about Iraq in terms of victory.
Paddy B: McCain scores again with the foreign policy answer re: McCain Doctrine . . . although Obama's answer was good as well.
That was a good answer by Obama re: Pakistan . . . although McCain has decent arguments as well.
Snick: On the responses to Obama saying that children are cheaper to insure - he's right. The point you are making as parents, is that you don't see that from the bills that come through the lack of payment from the insurance agencies. As for the cost to insurance companies, the risk of major health issues is lowest in children, thus making them the cheapest according to insurance companies. But the insurance companies rest on the fact that everyone will not know this little nugget of information and see them as another adult and therefore justify the same increase to the premium that an adult would cause. Denn H: Obama is right about healthcare being a right, not a responsibility, as McCain asserts. O is correct about companies moving where the laws are lenient. TD: I believe they call that a "race to the bottom" with Delaware being the absolute bottom in the US in terms of favorable corporate laws. Denn H: Constraints on military question: McCain speaks with conviction on this question.
Obama shows intellectual understanding.
McCain gaining ground on when he slows down and speaks about putting
American blood in harm's way.
Should we respect Pakistani boundaries question: O gave long winded answer, glad he wrapped it up in final sentence.
Mc started with good slide (on his part) to say O will invade...
O is clearing up that invading Pakistan is on the table..now he is
giving him the 'speaking softly' - 'Bomb Iran' song...
This is getting better now. Leslie S: I am SO glad Obama clarified his comment on Pakistan. He NEVER pre-announced he was going to attack Pakistan! McCain tried that trick at the first debate too, plus McCain's follow-up is ABSURD. Chris J: I like that Obama is asserting himself here with the Pakistan problem. It's painfully obvious that the Pakistanis do NOT have our best interests at heart so other tactics AND strategies are necessary. TD: Did I just hear McCain agreeing with Obama on the Pakistan question? I hope the Obama campaign is spooling up the new ads showing McCain's endorsement of him . . . TD: McCain just said that there'll be no Cold War. Somebody better tell his running mate, who referenced the Cold War during that first disastrous Gibson interview . . . Paddy O: Just to comment on Snick and kid's insurance cost. While insuring kids may cost "less," if you take them to the doctor 4-5x a year and the parent only goes 1x a year, it certainly costs "more" w/regards to the kids. Anyway, I actually agree with Tom re: universal health care But only for kids. (I just haven't figured out the arbitrary age to cut them off yet.). Chris J: All this talk about Russia. Anyone care to worry about the North Koreans? McCain seems to not fully grasp reality, in terms of the Iraq War. Snick: I didn't hear McCain mention that he would rely on Alaska to help with Russian. What happened there? I thought Alaska was the main eyes and ears the US would rely on when Russian was concern. Paddy B: Is it mischief or is it evil behavior???? My 5 year old does mischief. Invading a neighboring country....for no reason whatsoever isn't mischief.....it is evil behavior. Paddy B: UUHHHHHHHHHHH not again w/ the preconditions.....ENOUGH already. Chris J: McCain's pandering to veterans is nauseating. I don't know anyone who doesn't support the troops. Oh no, he said "preconditions" again. TD: He needs to explain why he was against Senator Webb's GI bill. Anyone recall McCain's reasoning on that one? Snick: Paddy O - I completely understand that children go to the doctor more. Obama's statement was the children are cheaper to receive health care insurance (the cost to insurance in premium costs). The out-of-pocket to parents might be higher, and thus an argument to have more children covered by health insurance. TD: They just showed Michelle. She had that "my husband's gonna be the next President" look on her face! Leslie S: what's wrong with talking? seriously?! Chris J: Barack, we all know your story by now . . . move on, answer the question!!! Paddy B: Obama's answer to the last question was the best non-answer in the history of debates! Chris J: I know what McCain doesn't know . . . if he'll survivve his term in office. Snick: OHHHH - we're bringing out the emotional guns now! TD: Okay, the debate's over. Let's get everybody's comments re: who won the debate, best moments, etc. Denn H: McCain hasn't shown anything new. He is repeating his talking points. Obama speaks as if he is thinking out his answers as he is speaking. Although that is likely prepared confidence. I think the big question for voters is: do you want to try something different, or do you want to continue with a known entity? If you keep doing what you've been doing, you'll keep getting what you've already got. Leslie S: No more opportunities, Mr. McCain - you've had enough of them. Your time is done! Bryna Bear: Russia being an evil empire does not depend on our response to them. ANSWER THE QUESTION!! "Everything I ever learned about leadership" coming from experience in the Navy? I worry that he admittedly has a singular mindset when approaching the world scene. I'm assuming he has gotten leadership experience in other realms, but is the military way of operating the best way to handle every situation? (not to discredit the military or the leadership qualities it can instill). Paddy B: McCain also had a very good answer to the last question. Another very good debate. Very close indeed. Chris J: I thought both candidates did a lot of meandering, and getting a solid answer was another futile task. I did think Obama scored a few good points in defense of some of McCain's untruths (i.e. taxes, Pakistan), but Obama was too long winded and McCain needs a reality check. Interesting that Barack and Michelle are the only one's working the crowd . . . McCain and the hobgoblin have left the building. Nice way to be in touch with the people. I'm seriously doubting McCain's ability to stand up for long periods of time. His breating and posture tonight really put up some serious warning signs in my mind. Denn H: Obama came across as more 'presidential'. He seems to be aware that some actions can cause unintended consequences. McCain came across as a hard working guy, who is above average intelligence, but it seems times have changed and he is not comfortable as he would have been in a previous decade. TD: Here's my two cents. In short, I think Obama won, simply because he's up by a substantial margin in the national polls and the EV projections, and McCain didn't have that game-changing moment that he needed to have. While McCain did score some points, he needed to do more than exchange points with Obama, and he didn't. Hard to see how McCain wins the election at this point. THANKS TO EVERYONE WHO PARTICIPATED IN TSP's LIVE COVERAGE OF THE SECOND PRESIDENTIAL DEBATE!!! MORE COMMENTARY ON THE PRESIDENTIAL RACE COMING SOON!!!
TD: I believe they call that a "race to the bottom" with Delaware being the absolute bottom in the US in terms of favorable corporate laws. Denn H: Constraints on military question: McCain speaks with conviction on this question.
Obama shows intellectual understanding.
McCain gaining ground on when he slows down and speaks about putting
American blood in harm's way.
Should we respect Pakistani boundaries question: O gave long winded answer, glad he wrapped it up in final sentence.
Mc started with good slide (on his part) to say O will invade...
O is clearing up that invading Pakistan is on the table..now he is
giving him the 'speaking softly' - 'Bomb Iran' song...
This is getting better now. Leslie S: I am SO glad Obama clarified his comment on Pakistan. He NEVER pre-announced he was going to attack Pakistan! McCain tried that trick at the first debate too, plus McCain's follow-up is ABSURD. Chris J: I like that Obama is asserting himself here with the Pakistan problem. It's painfully obvious that the Pakistanis do NOT have our best interests at heart so other tactics AND strategies are necessary. TD: Did I just hear McCain agreeing with Obama on the Pakistan question? I hope the Obama campaign is spooling up the new ads showing McCain's endorsement of him . . . TD: McCain just said that there'll be no Cold War. Somebody better tell his running mate, who referenced the Cold War during that first disastrous Gibson interview . . . Paddy O: Just to comment on Snick and kid's insurance cost. While insuring kids may cost "less," if you take them to the doctor 4-5x a year and the parent only goes 1x a year, it certainly costs "more" w/regards to the kids. Anyway, I actually agree with Tom re: universal health care But only for kids. (I just haven't figured out the arbitrary age to cut them off yet.). Chris J: All this talk about Russia. Anyone care to worry about the North Koreans? McCain seems to not fully grasp reality, in terms of the Iraq War. Snick: I didn't hear McCain mention that he would rely on Alaska to help with Russian. What happened there? I thought Alaska was the main eyes and ears the US would rely on when Russian was concern. Paddy B: Is it mischief or is it evil behavior???? My 5 year old does mischief. Invading a neighboring country....for no reason whatsoever isn't mischief.....it is evil behavior. Paddy B: UUHHHHHHHHHHH not again w/ the preconditions.....ENOUGH already. Chris J: McCain's pandering to veterans is nauseating. I don't know anyone who doesn't support the troops. Oh no, he said "preconditions" again. TD: He needs to explain why he was against Senator Webb's GI bill. Anyone recall McCain's reasoning on that one? Snick: Paddy O - I completely understand that children go to the doctor more. Obama's statement was the children are cheaper to receive health care insurance (the cost to insurance in premium costs). The out-of-pocket to parents might be higher, and thus an argument to have more children covered by health insurance. TD: They just showed Michelle. She had that "my husband's gonna be the next President" look on her face! Leslie S: what's wrong with talking? seriously?! Chris J: Barack, we all know your story by now . . . move on, answer the question!!! Paddy B: Obama's answer to the last question was the best non-answer in the history of debates! Chris J: I know what McCain doesn't know . . . if he'll survivve his term in office. Snick: OHHHH - we're bringing out the emotional guns now! TD: Okay, the debate's over. Let's get everybody's comments re: who won the debate, best moments, etc. Denn H: McCain hasn't shown anything new. He is repeating his talking points. Obama speaks as if he is thinking out his answers as he is speaking. Although that is likely prepared confidence. I think the big question for voters is: do you want to try something different, or do you want to continue with a known entity? If you keep doing what you've been doing, you'll keep getting what you've already got. Leslie S: No more opportunities, Mr. McCain - you've had enough of them. Your time is done! Bryna Bear: Russia being an evil empire does not depend on our response to them. ANSWER THE QUESTION!! "Everything I ever learned about leadership" coming from experience in the Navy? I worry that he admittedly has a singular mindset when approaching the world scene. I'm assuming he has gotten leadership experience in other realms, but is the military way of operating the best way to handle every situation? (not to discredit the military or the leadership qualities it can instill). Paddy B: McCain also had a very good answer to the last question. Another very good debate. Very close indeed. Chris J: I thought both candidates did a lot of meandering, and getting a solid answer was another futile task. I did think Obama scored a few good points in defense of some of McCain's untruths (i.e. taxes, Pakistan), but Obama was too long winded and McCain needs a reality check. Interesting that Barack and Michelle are the only one's working the crowd . . . McCain and the hobgoblin have left the building. Nice way to be in touch with the people. I'm seriously doubting McCain's ability to stand up for long periods of time. His breating and posture tonight really put up some serious warning signs in my mind. Denn H: Obama came across as more 'presidential'. He seems to be aware that some actions can cause unintended consequences. McCain came across as a hard working guy, who is above average intelligence, but it seems times have changed and he is not comfortable as he would have been in a previous decade. TD: Here's my two cents. In short, I think Obama won, simply because he's up by a substantial margin in the national polls and the EV projections, and McCain didn't have that game-changing moment that he needed to have. While McCain did score some points, he needed to do more than exchange points with Obama, and he didn't. Hard to see how McCain wins the election at this point. THANKS TO EVERYONE WHO PARTICIPATED IN TSP's LIVE COVERAGE OF THE SECOND PRESIDENTIAL DEBATE!!! MORE COMMENTARY ON THE PRESIDENTIAL RACE COMING SOON!!!
Constraints on military question: McCain speaks with conviction on this question.
Obama shows intellectual understanding.
McCain gaining ground on when he slows down and speaks about putting
American blood in harm's way.
Should we respect Pakistani boundaries question: O gave long winded answer, glad he wrapped it up in final sentence.
Mc started with good slide (on his part) to say O will invade...
O is clearing up that invading Pakistan is on the table..now he is
giving him the 'speaking softly' - 'Bomb Iran' song...
This is getting better now. Leslie S: I am SO glad Obama clarified his comment on Pakistan. He NEVER pre-announced he was going to attack Pakistan! McCain tried that trick at the first debate too, plus McCain's follow-up is ABSURD. Chris J: I like that Obama is asserting himself here with the Pakistan problem. It's painfully obvious that the Pakistanis do NOT have our best interests at heart so other tactics AND strategies are necessary. TD: Did I just hear McCain agreeing with Obama on the Pakistan question? I hope the Obama campaign is spooling up the new ads showing McCain's endorsement of him . . . TD: McCain just said that there'll be no Cold War. Somebody better tell his running mate, who referenced the Cold War during that first disastrous Gibson interview . . . Paddy O: Just to comment on Snick and kid's insurance cost. While insuring kids may cost "less," if you take them to the doctor 4-5x a year and the parent only goes 1x a year, it certainly costs "more" w/regards to the kids. Anyway, I actually agree with Tom re: universal health care But only for kids. (I just haven't figured out the arbitrary age to cut them off yet.). Chris J: All this talk about Russia. Anyone care to worry about the North Koreans? McCain seems to not fully grasp reality, in terms of the Iraq War. Snick: I didn't hear McCain mention that he would rely on Alaska to help with Russian. What happened there? I thought Alaska was the main eyes and ears the US would rely on when Russian was concern. Paddy B: Is it mischief or is it evil behavior???? My 5 year old does mischief. Invading a neighboring country....for no reason whatsoever isn't mischief.....it is evil behavior. Paddy B: UUHHHHHHHHHHH not again w/ the preconditions.....ENOUGH already. Chris J: McCain's pandering to veterans is nauseating. I don't know anyone who doesn't support the troops. Oh no, he said "preconditions" again. TD: He needs to explain why he was against Senator Webb's GI bill. Anyone recall McCain's reasoning on that one? Snick: Paddy O - I completely understand that children go to the doctor more. Obama's statement was the children are cheaper to receive health care insurance (the cost to insurance in premium costs). The out-of-pocket to parents might be higher, and thus an argument to have more children covered by health insurance. TD: They just showed Michelle. She had that "my husband's gonna be the next President" look on her face! Leslie S: what's wrong with talking? seriously?! Chris J: Barack, we all know your story by now . . . move on, answer the question!!! Paddy B: Obama's answer to the last question was the best non-answer in the history of debates! Chris J: I know what McCain doesn't know . . . if he'll survivve his term in office. Snick: OHHHH - we're bringing out the emotional guns now! TD: Okay, the debate's over. Let's get everybody's comments re: who won the debate, best moments, etc. Denn H: McCain hasn't shown anything new. He is repeating his talking points. Obama speaks as if he is thinking out his answers as he is speaking. Although that is likely prepared confidence. I think the big question for voters is: do you want to try something different, or do you want to continue with a known entity? If you keep doing what you've been doing, you'll keep getting what you've already got. Leslie S: No more opportunities, Mr. McCain - you've had enough of them. Your time is done! Bryna Bear: Russia being an evil empire does not depend on our response to them. ANSWER THE QUESTION!! "Everything I ever learned about leadership" coming from experience in the Navy? I worry that he admittedly has a singular mindset when approaching the world scene. I'm assuming he has gotten leadership experience in other realms, but is the military way of operating the best way to handle every situation? (not to discredit the military or the leadership qualities it can instill). Paddy B: McCain also had a very good answer to the last question. Another very good debate. Very close indeed. Chris J: I thought both candidates did a lot of meandering, and getting a solid answer was another futile task. I did think Obama scored a few good points in defense of some of McCain's untruths (i.e. taxes, Pakistan), but Obama was too long winded and McCain needs a reality check. Interesting that Barack and Michelle are the only one's working the crowd . . . McCain and the hobgoblin have left the building. Nice way to be in touch with the people. I'm seriously doubting McCain's ability to stand up for long periods of time. His breating and posture tonight really put up some serious warning signs in my mind. Denn H: Obama came across as more 'presidential'. He seems to be aware that some actions can cause unintended consequences. McCain came across as a hard working guy, who is above average intelligence, but it seems times have changed and he is not comfortable as he would have been in a previous decade. TD: Here's my two cents. In short, I think Obama won, simply because he's up by a substantial margin in the national polls and the EV projections, and McCain didn't have that game-changing moment that he needed to have. While McCain did score some points, he needed to do more than exchange points with Obama, and he didn't. Hard to see how McCain wins the election at this point. THANKS TO EVERYONE WHO PARTICIPATED IN TSP's LIVE COVERAGE OF THE SECOND PRESIDENTIAL DEBATE!!! MORE COMMENTARY ON THE PRESIDENTIAL RACE COMING SOON!!!
Obama shows intellectual understanding.
McCain gaining ground on when he slows down and speaks about putting
American blood in harm's way.
Should we respect Pakistani boundaries question:
