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Know Thy Neighbor - The Race For The White House Touches Down In My Backyard

Fellow Systocrats:
On Friday, I encountered this provocative billboard not far from my home:
I received a picture of this billboard on my cell phone Friday afternoon and not surprisingly, I found myself standing in front of it a few hours later.  I was not alone - a young man arrived a minute or two after I did, also drawn to this rather unique display of partisanship in an otherwise sleepy town.  As it turned out, both of us had dead batteries in our cameras, and as we briefly commiserated about this, our host made his appearance. 
Robert Horr appears to be a reasonably fit gentleman in his early to mid fifties, maybe six feet tall or so, with grizzled hair and mustache.  He greeted us in faded pants, a black t-shirt bearing a military slogan and workboots.  Mr. Horr declined to be photographed for this interview, recognizing that "this sign will bring hate," although apparently I had just missed a television crew from the local news station. 
During our conversation, Mr. Horr declared himself a "Constitutionalist" ("it means what it says") and an "NRA member who votes" (per another sign prominently displayed in the yard).  Although he has never served in the military, two of his sons have enlisted (although he declined to say where or in what branch they were serving).  The sun was going down, and Mr. Horr bade us welcome even as he busied himself setting up industrial strength spotlights to illuminate the billboard for evening motorists.  At length, he approached and I asked him if he had created the billboard himself.  He did not - the billboard represents the work of a talented artist-for-hire.  I then explained who I was (blogger, Obama supporter, etc) and hinted that he might be a McCain supporter.  Mr. Horr shook his head vigorously. 
"This sign is neutral," he insisted.  "I'm just trying to get the facts out there about these two candidates.  If something about this sign makes you nervous, perhaps you should reconsider your vote."  Later, in response to a direct question from the young man who witnessed our conversation, Mr. Horr would refuse to divulge who he was voting for.
I assured him that the sign didn't make me nervous and questioned his claim of neutrality, pointing out that on the one hand, a young McCain was featured in military gear, which might be appropriate given that McCain had a rather complete career as a Navy pilot.  On the other hand, the Obama rendering was drawn from a picture of Obama in traditional African garb during a visit to Kenya in 2006, an outfit that he wore maybe a day or two in his entire life.  Why choose to display this particular image? 
"That's his heritage," Mr. Horr explained.  "Obama was born in Africa, you know."  At some point during our interview, I asked him if Obama was a Muslim.  Mr. Horr said that he didn't know, but wasn't ready to take me at my word when I told him that Obama was not an adherent of the Muslim faith.  "I don't know what's in his heart . . . "  he said with hands apologetically raised, adding for good measure that "we don't really know anything about Barack Obama."  This last, despite the fact that Obama has been continually and ruthlessly vetted during the two years that he's been on the national campaign trail.  I never did get around to asking Mr. Horr what's wrong with Muslims in general.
Mr. Horr also argued that the images on the billboard were not misleading images of the candidates because they are based on actual photos. 
Some of you will recall that this picture first surfaced in late February, in advance of important primaries in Texas and Ohio.  The Drudge Report broke the story, claiming that the photo had been released by the Clinton campaign, which didn't deny releasing it, but instead insisted that there was nothing misleading or provocative about it.  By contrast, Obama's campaign characterized the photo as an attempt to paint Obama as an anti-American Muslim, Obama's campaign manager describing it as the "most shameful, offensive fear-mongering we've seen from either side in this campaign."  Obama himself told a Dallas radio station that "the notion that [the Clinton campaign] would try to use this to imply in some way that I'm foreign, I think is, you know, unfortunate."   
Now, less than three weeks away from election day, this photo has resurfaced in my backyard, of all places. 
I assurred Mr. Horr that Obama was not born in Africa, but in Hawaii.  Mr. Horr continued to insist that not only was Obama born in Africa, but that he spent the first 12 years of his life there and went to "school" in Kenya.  I again insisted that Obama spent most of his childhood in Hawaii, but Mr. Horr was having none of it. 
Instructing me to "get the facts," Mr. Horr reminded me that Obama may not be qualified to be president of the United States, citing a pending lawsuit to get to the bottom of the Obama birth certificate situation.  I presume that he was referring to the lawsuit filed in the federal court for the Eastern District of Pennsylvania by disgruntled Hillary Clinton supporter Phillip J. Berg, Esq. who maintains that under the Constitution, Obama is not qualified to be president because he was: 1. born in Kenya, not Hawaii, and 2. that even if Obama was born in Hawaii, he renounced his American citizenship by moving to Indonesia with his mother as a child.  The Obama campaign, together with the DNC has filed a motion to dismiss this complaint on the same grounds for which a similar complaint against McCain was dismissed a few months ago - that Mr. Berg lacks legal standing to maintain suit, as he has not alleged that he will be personally injured by Obama's candidacy in any legally cognizable fashion.  No decision yet on the motion to dismiss, but you can view the entire case docket here
In terms of Mr. Berg's qualifications as a lawyer, a brief internet search turned up this opinion by the Honorable Curtis Joyner of the very court in which Berg filed his controversial lawsuit.  In this 2005 Order, the Court affirmed the imposition of sanctions against Mr. Berg, noting that Mr. Berg had filed a complaint "completely devoid of any basis in fact or law." Joyner wasn't finished with Berg, however:
Mr. Berg's conduct . . .  is the reason [court rules imposing sanctions on lawyers for frivolous conduct] were implemented.  Other attorneys should look to Mr. Berg's actions as a blueprint for what not to do when attempting to effectively and honorably perform the duties of the legal profession.  This Court has grown weary of Mr. Berg's continuous and brazen disrespect towards this Court and his own clients.  Mr. Berg's actions . . . serve to divert judicial resources from legitimate matters and this Court cannot, in good conscience, allow this conduct to go unpunished. 
So much for Mr. Berg.
Mr. Horr went on to say that because Obama's parents were not American citizens at the time he was born, Obama cannot satisfy the qualifications for president set forth in Article II of the Constitution.  Art II provides as follows:
No person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the adoption of the Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any person be eligible to that office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty five years, and been fourteen Years a resident within the United States. 
By his remarks, I presume that Mr. Horr is of the opinion that Obama is neither a "natural born Citizen" nor a "Citizen of the United States," as required by Article II.  Certainly some rather convoluted arguments in support of this idea were making their way around the Internet last summer.  However under the 14th Amendment ("Citizenship rights"), all persons born in the United States and subject to its jurisdiction are citizens of the United States.  Therefore, even if both of Obama's parents were non-citizens, Obama would still be a U.S. citizen by virtue of his birth in Hawaii. 
With respect to the Ronald Reagan quote on his billboard, Mr. Horr could not identify the context in which Reagan made these remarks.  With a minimal amount of digging around, I did find Mr. Horr's Biden and Reagan quotes cited a couple of lines away from each other in an article entitled "Comrade Barack Hussein Obama" on the Patriot Post website.  The Post styles itself the "Internet Journal of the conservative revolution" and defines its mission as follows:
The Patriot Post believes that individual liberty, the restoration of constitutional limits on government and the judiciary, and the promotion of free enterprise, national defense and traditional American values can only be secured through the exercise of individual rights and responsibilities as ordained by God and established by our nation's Founders in our Declaration of Independence and its subordinate exposition, our Republic's Constitution.
Sounds about right to me - given the proximity of the quotes in the cited Post article and the content featured on this website, I'm guessing Mr. Horr found the text for his billboard here. 
Update: since the initial publication of this story, Mr. Horr himself has written in to say that the Reagan quote came from an address at the Citadel.  See his comment below.  He didn't say whether he reads the Patriot Post or not. 
Returning to the context in which Reagan made the above-quoted statement, Governor Palin used it in her closing remarks at the VP debate, only to have the liberal media quickly point out that "Reagan was not warning about a general lack of vigilance about freedom, he was warning what would happen if Medicare was enacted."  Looks like Palin, The Patriot Post and now Mr. Horr have all taken this quote out of context. 
In all fairness to Mr. Horr, I should say that throughout our interview, he was reasonably friendly and polite, despite our profound disagreements re: the candidates, and he also declared his willingness to discuss his views openly with anyone who might seek him out, which is what American politics are supposed to be all about.  I should also mention that at least three or four cars signaled their approval by some combination of honking their horns and/or giving Mr. Horr the thumbs-up as they drove by. 
One final note - beware to those who would visit ill-will upon Mr. Horr and his sign.  Mr. Horr made it clear to me that although he's not looking for trouble, he will "defend his property if necessary." 

 

 


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The Ronald Reagan quot came from the commencement address on May 15 1993 at THE CITADEL. It is a military college. "the truth shall set ye free"

Wow. On the one hand, I admire this guy for putting out there such an incorrect picture of Obama and being calm about it. Those Palin rally folks who were screaming at the Obama supporters recently just sounded crazy. But at least this fellow in Maine is not being loud and stupid about it. On the other hand, if there really was a problem with Obama's citizenship, one of the basic requirements for being president (and one of the few requirements), doesn't he think that MAYBE a few more folks (like John McCain perhaps??) would be contesting it? What bothers me about the Republicans as I'm sure Mr. Horr must be is that they have no problem spreading messages of hate that are not based in fact, knowing that most of the folks who look at what they are putting out there are NOT going to check their facts but ARE going to be taken in by the message of hate. I have no respect for that. Thanks for this informative and real life close to home example of politics at play in America.

I find it horrifying that cars "signaled their approval by some combination of honking their horns and/or giving Mr. Horr the thumbs-up as they drove by". This sign conveys a message of ignorance and hatred. I can only hope this is a very small percentage of the voting population.

Where is the hatred where is the ignorance this is both true and accurate Please help me! Also I said that there was a question around both candidates birth certificate but only one has a lawsuit against them. I am a truth seeker and if that makes the candidates and their supporters nervous the more I want to dig . I just want an open and honest dialog. Thank you

Managing to crash some VERY expensive airplanes, while utilizing your familial ties in the Navy to guarantee your flight status is not really the kind of military service that warrants respect and/or a sign using it as something that is admirable over Senator Obama.

Utilizing imagery to evoke prejudice is not something intelligent people do, it's more an emotive gesture to take an argument through irrational thought.

They're both citizens,so drop the ruse and be truthfully ignorant, if you want to be ignorant.

Mr. Horr, you do not make anyone nervous. You make me sad that you are promoting hatred. And you are not making the candidates nervous nor their supporters. You are not attacking both candidates but one and on an unfair basis. I am an attorney and know it does not take much to FILE a lawsuit if this is your basis for questioning Barack Obama's citizenship. Did you know of the lawsuit filed against John McCain, Sarah Palin and their campaign manager in Kansas City? By your logic, that means they are also suspect. Does that make you nervous now? If you intend to attack both candidates and shake up a good debate, please attack both on some sort of comparative basis.

Chris: McCain lost ONE and only one plane due to pilot error. I'm sure his family ties helped him but how come Kerry's awards/mil records were beyond questioning but McCain's aren't...when all the records state he was a "superb pilot." How about the courage and conviction to endure 5 1/2 yrs of torture as a POW what about that military service. IT DOES WARRANT RESPECT and while it's not on the top of my list to pick a Pres if you have it and the other guy doesn't, why not use it. Your attack is completely misleading. Remember, freedom of speech didn't come from a poet, it comes from the sacrifices of those who have served; protecting those that haven't.

Thank You Thank You. Now I hope you can understand what I am saying . I never said Mccain's military service was a good thing or a bad thing. But it is his history it is his heritage . Why am I NOT allowed to ask questions about it ? I never said Obama going to Africa was a good thing or a bad thing. But it is his history it is his heritage. Why am I not allowed to ask questions about it?
We The People must never give up the question .Mr President , what about .. ...... Then told we must sit down and be quit and stop asking questions.Then we are called names for daring to ask the question I will not do it and I hope you don't ether We have the right to ask and ask till we get a true answer They work for us .

Paddy O:

You're right, I misremembered what I had read. Here are the actual facts.


McCain's flight record:
1. Flight training in Texas: Crashed his first plane in Corpus Christi Bay during a routine practice landing

2. Technically not a crash, but, while stationed in Spain, while flying recklessly close to the ground, he flew through power lines, sending an entire town into darkness

3. While stationed at McCain airbase in Mississippi, on a return flight from Philadelphia, his plane crashed again, but he was able to safely eject. Upon being held in a landing pattern, he said to the flight controller "let me land, or I'll take my field (McCain field) and go home".

4. Shot down, resulting in his subsequent capture. In Hanoi, he became a bargaining chip as he quickly told his captors who he was.

So yes, I was wrong with the number of times I listed. What I was not wrong about was his use of family ties to keep himself in the air, after a number of careless incidents that would have grounded ANY OTHER PILOT. If he had not been an admirals son/grandson, he would never have flown the mission that resulted in his capture.

John Kerry's record was torn through like a carcass by Hyena's. I find it offensive that McCain, who uses his record more than Giuliani say's 9/11, is above criticism. I find it especially appropriate when most of his duty was less than honorable.


It's hard to choke down "Freedom of Speech" when it's so clearly being abused with lies and slander, like Mr. Horr's portrayal of Senator Obama as a Muslim. The Freedom comes with responsibility and, when so many are misusing that privilege, I say shame on all of us.

Thank You Paddy O You should be able to ask Mccain what about ( 1- 4 ) see above . You have every right to DEMAND the TRUTH , and if you don't like the answer than don't vote for them. Now maybe you understand why he is in his flight suit, because it is a very controversial time. However never give up the right to ask .
THANK YOU !!

Mr. Horr I appreciate your thanks and agree w/ your free speech arguments, etc. Thanks, but I know why he's in a flight suit. HOWEVER, your sign would have been more appropriate if you simply put Obama in a suit or shirt. Your sign is clearly misleading. The sign is offensive and offends my intelligence b/c I know, 1) he isn't a Muslim 2) he wore that get up once (and I don't care what he wore in Indonesia as a kid.) It's an inaccurate representation.

Just as Chris' "facts" are inaccurate. No matter how many times you might say they are facts they are not facts.

ONE PLANE ONLY LOST due to Pilot error (That's your No.1). (McCain actually disputes this although the Navy report says pilot error...some people say yeah, Navy report...remember the Navy report on the USS IOWA gun explosion and what a fiction that turned out to be...or the F-16 wire friction reports and those several pilots who died..and where then blamed "pilot error" when the wiring friction was the cause...Gov't reports aren't exactly 100% reliable...they have all those defense contractors to protect.) No. 2 is not a crash, at least you've admitted you were misleading. (No.3) was mechanical error/engine failure...how is that McCain's fault??. The radio thing was just him being a jerk but wasn't related to any "crash." And as we all know, he was shot down (4).

YES, he used his family, (I'm sure Gore never did though) Yes, Obama had a party at William Ayers house. (Neither should be used to determine who the next Pres is.)

It's not his use of his family that warrants respect it's 1) his service and 2) His POW time and what he endured (yes, he broke, everyone breaks,) that WARRANTS RESPECT.

Your wrong on "any other pilot." I was in an aviation unit and I knew a pilot who had TWO "hot shot" incidents, one that caused serious and extensive damage to property and personal injury. He never lost his flight status although he was "grounded" for a very, very brief time. Two McCain incidents, several years apart, one of which occured in training and the other he admitted and accepted responsibility don't warrant being grounded

Both Kerry and McCain's records should be questioned as should almost anything on Obama, Biden and Palin...they are running to lead the free world. We should know as much about them as possible. The fact that neither Kerry or McCain release their full records is in fact disturbing.

I don't know what you mean when you say most of his duty was less than honorable? Becuase he was a jerk on a radio, hot shot on one occasion and crashed a plane in flight training??? Or do you really believe that his POW time was somehow not honorable? That he was "treated well?" Prior to being a POW he was in the Navy for 8yrs. He was a POW from 67-73 and retired in 81. Other than cheating on his wife (not military) what in his military career post POW (14 yrs) was less than honorable?? Again, your use of "most" is misleading.

Everyone must have an open mind. Both campaigns have lied, not just McCain's. Quite frankly, I think his campaign has stunk up the joint. DC Politicians lie, it's what they do best. It's our job to sift through them.

However, that does not take away from his "MOSTLY" HONORABLE service and Chris, quite frankly, he does warrant your respect based solely on the 5 years he spent in Hanoi.

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